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Old 08-08-2006, 03:59 AM     Post subject: Today's 4 Biggest Pots - Critique Please #1 (permalink)  
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so i'm just going to start posting my biggest pots of the day no matter what i think about the way i played them.

Hand #1 (Didn't know I was down to $9 yet)

FullTiltPoker Game #874059618: Table Arcadian Shores - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:00:06 ET - 2006/08/07
Seat 1: w_woodman ($1.30)
Seat 2: Oklahomer ($10.45)
Seat 4: MacExcelsior ($7.90)
Seat 5: PokerJoeK ($9.60), is sitting out
Seat 6: swrt_wrc ($11.15)
Seat 7: sig7016 ($3.65)
Seat 8: martindcx1e ($9)
Seat 9: Built4This22 ($9.30)
MacExcelsior posts the small blind of $0.05
swrt_wrc posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to martindcx1e [7d 9d]
sig7016 folds
martindcx1e calls $0.10
Built4This22 raises to $0.45
Trooper28 sits down
w_woodman calls $0.45
Trooper28 adds $4
Oklahomer folds
MacExcelsior calls $0.40
swrt_wrc folds
martindcx1e calls $0.35
*** FLOP *** [4s 9h 7h]
MacExcelsior checks
martindcx1e bets $1.30
Built4This22 calls $1.30
w_woodman calls $0.85, and is all in
MacExcelsior folds
*** TURN *** [4s 9h 7h] [Tc]
martindcx1e has 15 seconds left to act
martindcx1e bets $4
Built4This22 raises to $7.55, and is all in
martindcx1e calls $3.25, and is all in

Hand #2

Full Tilt Poker Game #874247647: Table Pueblo Vista - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:49:28 ET - 2006/08/07
Seat 2: u89109 ($3.55)
Seat 4: A-Whole riginal ($4.45)
Seat 5: LorneReams ($10.55)
Seat 6: kydvaharr ($13.20)
Seat 7: kgmagic ($24.70), is sitting out
Seat 8: martindcx1e ($12.85)
Seat 9: NJDEVILS22 ($13.85)
NJDEVILS22 posts the small blind of $0.05
u89109 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to martindcx1e [As Qs]
A-Whole riginal raises to $0.35
LorneReams calls $0.35
kydvaharr folds
SideshowJoe sits down
martindcx1e calls $0.35
SideshowJoe adds $2
NJDEVILS22 folds
u89109 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [2c 6s Ad]
u89109 checks
A-Whole riginal bets $1
LorneReams calls $1
martindcx1e raises to $4.10
u89109 folds
A-Whole riginal has 15 seconds left to act
A-Whole riginal folds
LorneReams raises to $10.20, and is all in
martindcx1e folds

Hand #3

Full Tilt Poker Game #874377514: Table Tierra De Palmas - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:23:28 ET - 2006/08/07
Seat 1: Yahkin ($10.50)
Seat 2: Templeton Peck ($9.75)
Seat 3: 2006 Mets ($19.75)
Seat 5: tflany ($10.15)
Seat 6: martindcx1e ($12.25)
Seat 7: madplumberBB ($3.45)
martindcx1e posts the small blind of $0.05
madplumberBB posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to martindcx1e [7d 7c]
Yahkin calls $0.10
Templeton Peck calls $0.10
2006 Mets calls $0.10
tflany folds
MCSoul722 sits down
martindcx1e calls $0.05
madplumberBB checks
MCSoul722 adds $6
*** FLOP *** [6h Tc 7s]
martindcx1e bets $0.35
madplumberBB folds
Yahkin raises to $2
Templeton Peck folds
2006 Mets folds
martindcx1e raises to $12.15, and is all in

Hand #4

Full Tilt Poker Game #874586606: Table Boulder - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:11:24 ET - 2006/08/08
Seat 1: martindcx1e ($10.45)
Seat 2: xZook ($20.80)
Seat 3: nycrat ($12)
Seat 4: job1976 ($6.70)
Seat 5: GaJoseph ($48.35)
Seat 6: playlikeontv ($8.15)
Seat 7: madsenb ($10)
Seat 8: brentac ($7.10)
Seat 9: bobg67 ($10)
job1976 posts the small blind of $0.05
GaJoseph posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to martindcx1e [7c 7d]
playlikeontv folds
bobg67 folds
job1976: yeah i thought u mite have paired your kicker before u did
martindcx1e calls $0.10
xZook folds
nycrat has 15 seconds left to act
nycrat raises to $0.20
job1976 calls $0.15
GaJoseph calls $0.10
martindcx1e calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [7h Jh Ah]
job1976 bets $0.10
GaJoseph raises to $0.20
martindcx1e raises to $0.85
nycrat folds
job1976 folds
GaJoseph calls $0.65
*** TURN *** [7h Jh Ah] [8s]
GaJoseph checks
martindcx1e has 15 seconds left to act
martindcx1e bets $1.50
GaJoseph raises to $47.30, and is all in
martindcx1e folds
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Old 08-08-2006, 04:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1 fine
2 gf
3 may be overdone though if you figure you are behind and gambling on the FH and want all the money in now good
4 Unless you had a read that this guy chased gutshots for any price or was particularly tricky, I'm calling there.
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Old 08-08-2006, 04:41 AM #3 (permalink)  
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no read on 4th hand - so you think a flopped flush usually puts in the 4th bet on the flop?
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Old 08-08-2006, 04:50 AM #4 (permalink)  
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uh - that was drunkenly stupid of me...forget the hand 4 comment - it's fine.
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Old 08-08-2006, 04:53 AM #5 (permalink)  
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next big pot of the day

Hand #5

Full Tilt Poker Game #874718099: Table Decatur - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:48:28 ET - 2006/08/08
Seat 1: Nadman ($5.15)
Seat 2: martindcx1e ($11.35)
Seat 3: iwncti ($9.90)
Seat 4: WilburWC ($8.60)
Seat 5: DeathChicken ($10)
Seat 6: Buck_oh ($9.95)
Seat 7: Lazarean ($28.05)
Seat 8: Kublai Chiyo ($9.35)
Seat 9: isofaking ($3.20)
Nadman posts the small blind of $0.05
martindcx1e posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to martindcx1e [4d 7s]
iwncti folds
WilburWC folds
Buck_oh folds
Lazarean calls $0.10
Kublai Chiyo has 15 seconds left to act
Kublai Chiyo folds
isofaking folds
Nadman calls $0.05
martindcx1e checks
*** FLOP *** [7d 4h 5d]
Nadman checks
martindcx1e bets $0.30
Lazarean calls $0.30
Nadman raises to $0.75
martindcx1e raises to $5.05
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Old 08-08-2006, 05:04 AM #6 (permalink)  
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next...is this the right way to deal with these shorties? i absolutely hated that turn card, but should i have done anything different?

Full Tilt Poker Game #874747021: Table Windmill - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:57:05 ET - 2006/08/08
Seat 1: Mayhem52 ($3.40)
Seat 2: Mark Daniel ($25.30)
Seat 3: skeeter042 ($9.80)
Seat 4: martindcx1e ($9.65)
Seat 5: carrollitis ($6)
Seat 6: grabij ($8.20)
Seat 7: hydaowen ($7.80)
Seat 8: Duncanator ($12)
Seat 9: Jaromoney ($3.35)
Duncanator posts the small blind of $0.05
Jaromoney posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to martindcx1e [8h Th]
Mayhem52 calls $0.10
Mark Daniel folds
skeeter042 calls $0.10
Duncanator: you have 4 8?
martindcx1e calls $0.10
carrollitis calls $0.10
grabij folds
hydaowen calls $0.10
Duncanator: or 89
Duncanator calls $0.05
Jaromoney checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 8d 8s]
Duncanator checks
Mark Daniel: the former
Jaromoney bets $0.25
Mayhem52 calls $0.25
skeeter042 folds
martindcx1e raises to $1
carrollitis folds
hydaowen folds
Duncanator folds
Jaromoney calls $0.75
Mayhem52 calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [7s 8d 8s] [Js]
Jaromoney checks
Mayhem52 checks
martindcx1e bets $2.30
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Old 08-08-2006, 05:06 AM #7 (permalink)  
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no read on 4th hand - so you think a flopped flush usually puts in the 4th bet on the flop?
You might want to take one off on the turn. Villian min raises the flop, you reraise and than villian flat calls. This looks like the type of action a flopped nut straight might try.
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Old 08-08-2006, 05:12 AM #8 (permalink)  
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You might want to take one off on the turn.
what does this mean?
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Old 08-08-2006, 05:26 AM #9 (permalink)  
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You might want to take one off on the turn.
what does this mean?
Check behind. A couple of benefits to this. You might have the best hand here and villian might have c/r you off of it. Although I would give villian some credit here based on his stack. If you are behind you get a card to catch up in a way that might deceive villian. Say an 8h comes off and villain thinks you have the second nut flush theres a good chance you will double up here.
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Old 08-08-2006, 05:45 AM #10 (permalink)  
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next hand...

Full Tilt Poker Game #874865313: Table Arcadian Shores - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:33:17 ET - 2006/08/08
Seat 1: FloptimusPrime ($6.45)
Seat 2: nteggra ($7.70)
Seat 3: sberk44 ($3.75)
Seat 4: BaggleRock ($15.25)
Seat 5: bigkino217 ($4)
Seat 6: netpar ($3.60)
Seat 7: bigdawg91 ($4.65)
Seat 8: martindcx1e ($21.70)
Seat 9: YNI Boi ($0.95)
YNI Boi posts the small blind of $0.05
FloptimusPrime posts the big blind of $0.10
5 seconds left to act
bigdawg91 posts a dead small blind of $0.05
bigdawg91 posts $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to martindcx1e [5h 6h]
nteggra raises to $0.30
sberk44 has 15 seconds left to act
sberk44 folds
BaggleRock folds
bigkino217 folds
netpar folds
bigdawg91 folds
martindcx1e calls $0.30
YNI Boi folds
FloptimusPrime folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 5c 8h]
nteggra checks
martindcx1e checks
*** TURN *** [Qc 5c 8h] [2h]
nteggra checks
martindcx1e bets $0.65
nteggra raises to $1.30
martindcx1e calls $0.65
*** RIVER *** [Qc 5c 8h 2h] [Kh]
nteggra checks
martindcx1e has 15 seconds left to act
martindcx1e bets $3.05
nteggra raises to $6.10, and is all in
martindcx1e calls $3.05
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Old 08-08-2006, 07:01 AM #11 (permalink)  
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well these hands today cost me about 6 or 7 buy-ins today. i'm losing my mind. i have never had a good upswing. i don't remember (and i literally mean i can't remember) the last time i stacked somebody with a set. i have to be doing something wrong. i post hands, and get replies that say what i am doing is fine for the most part. i have no idea what to do. it's not variance...i never go on an upswing. it is always little up little down, and now this is my worst downswing in over a year and a half of playing. sorry if i sound like a noob but i don't think i know how to play poker anymore. i'm not sure what to do from here...
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Old 08-08-2006, 08:12 AM #12 (permalink)  
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but i don't think i know how to play poker anymore. i'm not sure what to do from here...
For sanity you can stop... or:
Play SnG's... They are a great way IMO to build up your bank roll and confidence. They are much more relaxing since your loss is limited to the buy in.

Try another game. Maybe NLHE isn't your forte. Branch out into the other variations where one critical mistep doesn't cost you your whole stack (L or PL). You might find you are more skilled playing something else like Stud/8 and it might make something click that improves your NLHE.

Buy a program to play against. Just seeing a few hundred flops an hour is a valuable learning tool. Play full ring with cheat mode and you get an idea of how cards become distributed around the table and how they fit in with certain flops.

Also be super critical of some of the responses you get. There are a number of one liners and abbreviations so if you get a repsonse like gf or fine or yeah, scour through the hand because for stronger players some things are much more obvious and you might get a false sense of security that what you did is correct without knowing why, than trying the same line against a different opponent with the same flop and getting stacked when you overlooked a slight nuance.
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Old 08-08-2006, 03:20 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Little more detail:

Hand 1 -
You might not limp-call raises with 79s UTG+1. But if the table was overlimpy or seeing a lot of players in raised pots, then I don't mind it - you pay to luckbox your straight, trip sevens, etc.
Once the flop comes, you may easily be smooth-called by an overpair or missed overs here. The turn bet may be a little too steep, as you really don't want to run the guy off. But, as played I call his turn push and pay him off if he played TT oddly.

So the only questionable thing about this hand is your presence in it, and that may be justifiable depending on table conditions.

Hand 2: On second look, I don't see a big reason to reraise here - the board is dry and drawless, and you might have second best kicker, but might pick up a draw or hit your pair on the turn. However, it's a clear fold to his 3-bet of the flop, so nothing wrong with that.

Hand 3 - Again, there is a possibility that you could call his raise here and 'might' be able to get away from this later if he flopped the straight or overset...but I doubt it, and from his aggression it doesn't look like it would save you much, so I don't see a big problem with getting it all in now and catching up.

Hand 4
This one is a bit tough...it's sooo tempting to bet that turn vs. most minraising doofuses at $10 NL. I don't think that either betting or checking behind is in error, so either is fine...you had to fold to the push.

Hand 5
he could have limped Aces or something silly like that...I don't hate going for it with the short buy...if he outflopped you here, so be it. This one could go either way, though, in terms of push/fold.

Hand 6
I think you take your free card on the turn and see if you fill up - otherwise your part in the hand is over, and don't be upset by it - monkeys chase their flushes without pot or implied odds, as long as you don't pay
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 Thank you person above me for finally mentioning that hand 1 is an obvious fold pre-flop.
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Old 08-08-2006, 05:13 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Thank you person above me for finally mentioning that hand 1 is an obvious fold pre-flop.
Hand 1:
Depends on how you want to play it... Every once in a while I'll do a limp/call from EP with suited connectors / suited 1-gappers, but, and a big BUT, I'm playing them solely for straight/flush possibilities and not for pairing. In situations like this is one, I'd treat it exactly like A9 because I tend to play 2 pair like TPSK (top pair super kicker), which saves you against things like draw heavy boards or hidden sets. Here on the turn I would have slowed down and either checked or thrown out a cheaper blocking bet (we're up to like $4.50 or so here) and folded to a push. Even with the fold since one guy is AI you'll see a showdown and get info on what hands Built4This22 will play and go to the mat with. Info = goob.
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Thank you person above me for finally mentioning that hand 1 is an obvious fold pre-flop.
With a raiser and 2 callers behind him, implied odds make it a call, imo.



 
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Old 08-08-2006, 05:52 PM #17 (permalink)  
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But he should have folded first time round, no?

I think the hand where the guy goes all in with $47 you should have called. I'll wager he got there by being hyper aggressive and lucking out. He's throwing his weight around.
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But he should have folded first time round, no?
Nothing wrong with limp/calling from EP with scs/sgs at passive tables. Aggressive tables not so much.



 
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