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Pingviini

02-23-2005, 10:49 AM Post subject: time to analyze some hands

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Because of the initial raise I put him JJ-AA, cause I had KK I thought this was worth a call. Your guesses what he held and what I should have done.

PS. I tried to use the converter but I had problems with the AI. How to fix that?

#Game No : 1626183682
***** Hand History for Game 1626183682 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Monday, February 21, 15:50:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 11395 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: mbslr ( $18.25 )
Seat 4: jazze26 ( $62 )
Seat 6: LuddeL ( $25 )
Seat 7: Kastrupvej ( $23.5 )
Seat 8: Mnike25 ( $48.3 )
Seat 9: mecK769 ( $15.7 )
Seat 10: jmwhite2610 ( $21.75 )
Seat 1: ME ( $24.5 )
Kastrupvej posts small blind [$0.25].
Mnike25 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ME [ Kc Kh ]
mecK769 folds.
jmwhite2610 raises [$3].
ME calls [$3].
mbslr calls [$3].
jazze26 folds.
Kastrupvej folds.
Mnike25 calls [$2.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 3c, Js ]
Mnike25 checks.
Baldrooster has joined the table.
jmwhite2610 is all-In [$18.75]
ME is all-In [$21.5]
ampaq has joined the table.
mbslr folds.
Mnike25 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]

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rdqlus

02-23-2005, 03:47 PM

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Worth a call with KK??? Re-raise him pre-flop ... big. You'll lose to AA once in a while but usually you're ahead with KK.

mj

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02-23-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rdqlus

Worth a call with KK??? Re-raise him pre-flop ... big. You'll lose to AA once in a while but usually you're ahead with KK.

mj

Agreed. That's a straightforward problem. I'd raise it to 9 or 10 preflop at the minimum.

ilikeaces86

02-23-2005, 04:09 PM

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all in pre

Pingviini

02-23-2005, 04:21 PM

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Re-raising preflop with premium hands is something I really have to work with, good to identify one big leak more. I am sure that a raise to $10 would have pretty much chased away every other hand besides AA,(KK) and perhaps QQ&JJ, quite often the fish will call even AI with AK but that is their problem.

The reasoning I did not to reraise with KK was to get more money to the pot especially when I was not first to act. Of course the problem having too many players is when u see A and/or a couple of face cards (and no K of course). Anyways, point taken I am new thanks!

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02-23-2005, 04:40 PM

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all in pre

Do you think this actually gets calls at the lower levels?

Maybe I'm still too passive, but I'd probably just bet the 1.5x the pot preflop (or 1/3 the opponent's stack...whichever is greater), to increase the chances that he'll actually call and then get him farily committed to a push on the flop.

Am I mistaken in thinking that you actually want the guy to call in this situation?

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ilikeaces86

02-23-2005, 04:43 PM

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all in pre

That works too but all in takes all the thinking out of it....what is an Ace flops what then?

02-23-2005, 04:48 PM

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all in pre

That works too but all in takes all the thinking out of it....what is an Ace flops what then?

Often an ace won't flop and you'll maximise your winnings. All in preflop just minimizes your chances of getting the msot out of the hand and maximises the amount you can lsoe if you do run into aces or a bad beat.

So, all in preflop is a silly overbet and the wrong play here, but you should DEFNITIELY be raising, maybe raise to $9 or $11 here.

02-23-2005, 05:16 PM

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02-23-2005, 10:16 PM

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Here is to Ilikeaces and rippy, and to all others too who think the same. I have to admit that just calling raises is what I have been doing with AA, KK, QQ. But I do not feel shame, even though I perhaps should

This just happened me on EP, I just read the replies for my previous hand before I saw this hand, I still didnt want to go AI right away so that I wouldnt scare lower holdings away but definitely wanted to raise, again too little imo but still something. This time I got lucky

Rippy and others as well, please comment what would you have raised to open the pots and how much would you have reraised? And what if I would have held QQ in both hands, what to do then? Now when he went AI I was quite sure he had AA but I felt I had to play, guess I did the right thing..

just wondering I am new thanks!

#Game No : 1636960026
***** Hand History for Game 1636960026 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Wednesday, February 23, 17:54:23 EDT 2005
Table Oh la la 1 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: Smart4 ( $24.25 )
Seat 6: Laird74 ( $29.3 )
Seat 8: ME ( $25.95 )
Seat 10: tighttimmy ( $26.8 )
Seat 1: dettymac ( $6.15 )
Seat 7: amigo11 ( $30.55 )
Seat 2: nevrtight ( $19.5 )
Seat 5: sammytx ( $25.7 )
Seat 4: wdpenny ( $18.45 )
Seat 9: smiles022084 ( $10 )
nevrtight posts small blind [$0.25].
Smart4 posts big blind [$0.5].
amigo11 posts big blind + dead [$0.75].
smiles022084 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ME [ Ks Kc ]
wdpenny calls [$0.5].
sammytx calls [$0.5].
Laird74 calls [$0.5].
>You have options at Radium Table!.
amigo11 checks.
ME raises [$2.5].
smiles022084 folds.
tighttimmy folds.
dettymac folds.
nevrtight folds.
Smart4 folds.
wdpenny calls [$2].
sammytx calls [$2].
>You have options at Radium Table!.
>You have options at Radium Table!.
Laird74 folds.
amigo11 raises [$4].
ME raises [$7.5].
>You have options at Radium Table!.
wdpenny folds.
>You have options at Radium Table!.
sammytx folds.
amigo11 is all-In [$25.8]
ME is all-In [$15.95]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, Kd, 9c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
ME shows [ Ks, Kc ] a full house, Kings full of nines.
amigo11 shows [ As, Ah ] two pairs, aces and nines.
amigo11 wins $4.35 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and nines.
ME wins $56 from the main pot with a full house, Kings full of nines.
Game #1636966285 starts.

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