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Keilah
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05-24-2008, 08:59 AM
Post subject: Is tight right?
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I was thinking about my game, and one thing I realized is that I usually do my best to figure out who (probably) has the best hand, compare what I find there with the pot odds/stacks behind, and make my play accordingly.
Postflop I rarely take into account which of his likely holdings are both better than mine and weak enough that he'll lay them down to a raise/bet. I just focus on getting my money in good or with good odds as often as possible, and making the usual cbets in good situations with the odd bluff thrown in when my draws miss etc.
Is this a leak or a healthy attitude in full ring?
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Fnord
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Next step is to understand the value of position and pay attention to your opponents and find spots where you can take easy money off them.
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Keilah
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Wait, I think I'm just describing what level of thought I'm at... What do I have and what do I think he has (2nd level I believe).
Anyways. Thoughts?
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Keilah
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Next step is to understand the value of position and pay attention to your opponents and find spots where you can take easy money off them.
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Well obviously I have some idea of the value of position, especially preflop (I used to play a lot of SnG). Postflop, to me, it mostly means an easier time controlling the size of the pot (large or small) and a better idea of where I stand in the hand.
What more should I be looking for?
Honestly I feel like I understand the DISadvantages of being OOP better than the advantages of being in.
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Keilah
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Raise
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That actually has meaning to me... I seldom raise, usually just check/fold/bet/call.
You do have a tendency to be... how do I say... broad? In your posts Fnord. Very brief, I assume they usually are meaningful (and honest), but with little explanation and often open to interpretation.
You do that on purpose?
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Imo, playing in the way you described is a good, solid strategy which will see you win at a fairly steady rate on most tables. However every strategy is exploitable, including yours, so you need to adjust to table conditions. As you probably know, when you're playing in a rock garden, you need to steal and loosen up so much more and just be content to steal lots of small pots and get out of the way when the pots become big (unless you have the goods of course!). This works the other way too - if you always play in the way you described, a good player will be able to walk all over you, raising you off many hands. As Fnord was saying, position is everything. Consider this. UTG is a tight player, who's playing style is much as you described for yourself. He opens for 4xBB with AQs and only you call him on the button. You're both 100BB deep and you have the same tight image. Flop comes 7-2-Q rainbow. He makes his standard 3/4 pot sized bet and you raise a decent amount. You've just put him to a decision for all his chips. Would you call? On such a dry board, he'd be thinking, "what the hell does this guy have? He must have a set? Maybe AQ also, but why would he raise with either of these hands? Ah but there are no draws out there, what if he smooth called with KK-AA?" and so on. Now obviously you'd have to carefully pick you're opponents for this, as some players get an erection for weeks after flopping TPTK and can't get their stack in fast enough, but it demonstrates how much power you have with position. Against some opponents you can literally call with any 2 cards IP if it's likely to be heads up, and steal every pot where you've both missed, as well as stealing some where he's hit! But you have to choose you're spots. For instance, at my local casino action is so wild, i've virtually eliminated bluffs from my play there because guys will shove in their stack with middle pair to 'keep you honest' and I never, ever c-bet with more than 2 people in because you can't bluff a player you isn't capable of folding! So, start adjusting your play to the table and you'll make more money. But I'll say it again, choose the right table, otherwise you're going to be losing very quickly. Position, position, position.
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05-24-2008, 07:51 PM
Post subject: Re: Is tight right?
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Originally Posted by Keilah
I ...that I usually do my best to figure out who (probably) has the best hand, compare what I find there with the pot odds/stacks behind, and make my play accordingly.
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practice or learn to put villian on a range rather than a hand
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Keilah
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05-24-2008, 10:14 PM
Post subject: Re: Is tight right?
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Full House
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Originally Posted by Keilah
I ...that I usually do my best to figure out who (probably) has the best hand, compare what I find there with the pot odds/stacks behind, and make my play accordingly.
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practice or learn to put villian on a range rather than a hand |
that's what i meant i jsut forgot the word
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wufwugy
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the higher your edge the laggier you should play
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Originally Posted by Keilah
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Next step is to understand the value of position and pay attention to your opponents and find spots where you can take easy money off them.
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Well obviously I have some idea of the value of position, especially preflop (I used to play a lot of SnG). Postflop, to me, it mostly means an easier time controlling the size of the pot (large or small) and a better idea of where I stand in the hand.
What more should I be looking for?
Honestly I feel like I understand the DISadvantages of being OOP better than the advantages of being in. |
Your advantage is your villains disadvantage and the deeper you are, the bigger the advantage is.
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