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Baby_Face007
Old 12-22-2004, 01:52 PM     Post subject: Tight Play or Just plain stupid? #1 (permalink)  

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I was a little gun shy at this point in the night from some previous encounters gone bad at the table. Reviewing the hand history I think I probably should have called but I still think there is an case for the fold??

Thanks in advance for you comments, even if you call me an idiot (I may deserve it )!!

#Game No : 1331342235
***** Hand History for Game 1331342235 *****
$0.5/$1 Hold'em - Tuesday, December 21, 21:42:03 EDT 2004
Table Table 12844 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 5: acecwild ( $30 )
Seat 10: Baby_Face007 ( $6.25 )
Seat 6: RatSpit ( $27 )
Seat 3: ducom ( $25.25 )
Seat 9: GUNNARO ( $6 )
Seat 2: Stexan ( $37.5 )
Seat 4: JohnnyChan59 ( $17.5 )
Seat 7: balkars ( $24.25 )
Seat 1: gillen01 ( $19 )
Seat 8: jessiewin ( $20.5 )
Baby_Face007 posts small blind [$0.25].
gillen01 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Baby_Face007 [ Td Th ]
ducom calls [$0.5].
JohnnyChan59 folds.
acecwild calls [$0.5].
RatSpit folds.
balkars calls [$0.5].
jessiewin folds.
GUNNARO calls [$0.5].
Baby_Face007 calls [$0.25].
gillen01 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, 8d, 3s ]
Baby_Face007 checks.
gillen01 checks.
ducom checks.
acecwild bets [$0.5].
balkars calls [$0.5].
GUNNARO folds.
Baby_Face007 calls [$0.5].
gillen01 folds.
ducom folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
Baby_Face007 checks.
acecwild bets [$1].
balkars calls [$1].
Baby_Face007 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
Baby_Face007 checks.
acecwild bets [$1].
balkars raises [$2].
Baby_Face007 folds.
acecwild calls [$1].
balkars shows [ 9c, 9s ] two pairs, nines and threes.
acecwild doesn't show [ 8s, 2s ] two pairs, eights and threes.
balkars wins $11 from the main pot with two pairs, nines and threes.
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Old 12-22-2004, 02:33 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Raise Preflop

On the Flop you should have either bet or check-raised

I would have checked again (if you check-raised on the Flop) to see what the others do.

But you should have called this down to the river.
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Old 12-22-2004, 03:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Knowing the result kinda taints the analysis a bit, and not knowing the players makes it tougher, etc., but here are my thoughts:

Preflop: I would prob have raised slightly pre-flop.

Flop: You have every reason to think you are ahead--and in the remote chance you are not you need to find out sooner than later, so lead out and bet. If you chose to limp in pre-flop, I would have bet $1 on the flop to feel out the table. Aces probably re-raises back at you with his nice flop, so you know you might have trouble. Balkers probably calls all but a big raise with his 99.

Turn: You have every reason to think you are still ahead, so you should bet again, until you feel aggression back. Not sure why Aces didn't bet out with two suited out there...either sneaky or fishy.

River: A bit of a scare but probably more of a scare for them, since you are in the blind. Your check basically told them you didn't have a 3, so that raise by balkers was a nice value bet (value you should have taken). If they raise, I probably fold, but they probably won't. They will both call you down, and you win.

With respect, I would ask what you were waiting for before you bet? Did you have a history with these players, were they tricky, or are you extra careful out of position?
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Old 12-22-2004, 03:39 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Wheres your balls at?

j/k

unless you read a player with a higher pocket pair than you well you only read wrong. But next time raise preflop and cont. to raise. Unless you suspect someone with a higher pair and such.


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Old 12-22-2004, 03:50 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Ugh... limit. Go to your room!

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Old 12-22-2004, 04:01 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I'm an idiot--I was thinking NL.

Still...aggression pays.
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Old 12-22-2004, 04:32 PM #7 (permalink)  

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Ugh... limit. Go to your room!

-'rilla


I know...I know, but I've just started playing online and the BR isn't healthy enough YET for me to endure the swings of NL while I'm clearing my bonus.

Honestly, I got burned by Balker slow playing Trips 2 hands earlier and I think it was still too fresh in my mind. I did recover though and made a very respectable increase to my BR the rest of the night. That much closer to being able to play NL with the Big Boys!!
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Old 12-22-2004, 04:47 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Nah, I actually meant there is a room for limit hand histories. It's got it's own forum.

Honest mistake...

Limit sucks!

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Old 12-22-2004, 05:34 PM #9 (permalink)  

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Nah, I actually meant there is a room for limit hand histories. It's got it's own forum.

Honest mistake...

Limit sucks!

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Sorry, My Bad Is there a way I can move it to the right board?
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Old 12-22-2004, 05:36 PM #10 (permalink)  
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i dont think YOU can, but an admin/moderator probably can for you, or you can copy/paste this into the limit forum and ask an admin/moderator to delete the tread
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Old 12-22-2004, 05:39 PM #11 (permalink)  
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1. Raise preflop.

2. Bet the flop.

3. Bet the turn.

4. At least call the river.
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Old 12-22-2004, 05:43 PM #12 (permalink)  
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well lucky some of us "limit sucks" players read the NL forums also

Raise preflop
Bet /3bet
Bet the turn..
Bet the river.

You have the over pair and no reason to think your hand isn't good.
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Old 12-22-2004, 05:47 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I want one too
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Old 12-22-2004, 06:58 PM #14 (permalink)  
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The SSHE theory for the river here, and I agree though I am not a limit player:
When the river raise comes to you, there are 10 dollars in the pot, and you need to call 2. You only need to be more than 20% sure that your hand is good here.

Also, I think if you really didn't think your hand was good, the time to get out was after the turn.
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Old 12-23-2004, 03:39 AM #15 (permalink)  
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three suit flop with an over pair and you checked?! Should have come out with guns firing! Maybe even go AI. Oh wait this is a limit game is it? Should have raised preflop. Bet on flop, reraise any raise you get.

Folding on the River! with a hopeless board like that! What were you thinking! Obviously not how to make money! :P just joking

Bad mistake on your part but you will learn from it and next time take money of that hopeless guy who called with a pair of eights (he had 8-2! what was HE thinking! even IF someone else was betting on their pair of eights then in all probability they are going to outkick him!)

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Old 12-23-2004, 07:47 AM     Post subject: Judgment rendered GUILTY! #16 (permalink)  

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Oh man!
The verdict doesn’t look good here.
Plead insanity, beg mercy of the court.
That Rainbow flop, holding a pair of Tens, and having feelings of Gun Shyness, that’s a criminal offense right there alone.
Criminal intent if you ask me!
You should be prosecuted to the fullest extent!
Then folding after the River?!
Evidence is overwhelming.
Pray to be sentenced to the mental institution and not the BIG House!
Them boyz in there don’t play that chit!
For GAWD sakes haven’t you seen the show OZ?
What makes you proceed with criminal acts is beyond me.

You know, I don’t play Limit, and the question I have,
Is it possible to be GUN SHY in limit?
How mean how the hell?!
I’m kidding.
We all have our innate anxiety, fears.
I fear ugly women when I am drunk.
I find that’s when I am more susceptible to their advances.
You know I get to play and all, I just don’t feel that good when I review the history, SOBER!
Hindsight is indeed 20/20 and at times can be cruel!

Never ever play POKER in that condition!
That was a bad move from the start!

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Cause the older I get,
the more I’m thinking she is FEMALE
& set with a purpose of TOYING with us!
Good GAWD Almighty.
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