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Huey

10-21-2006, 12:15 PM Post subject: Three NL50 hands

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Few hands from my today's session where I really had no idea what to do.

Hand 1:

Villain is 16.7/0/1.33 over 60 hands. Last time he flopped a set he check-called the flop and checked the turn.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($86.50)
MP2 ($55.65)
CO ($27.45)
Button ($21)
SB ($22.45)
BB ($46)
UTG ($65.20)
Hero ($58.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q

, Q

.
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 3 folds, Button calls $2.50, 1 fold, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($10.25) 4

, T

, 8

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $8, Button folds, BB folds, UTG raises to $16, ??

Folding to a minraise feels so weak, but do I beat anything here?

Hand 2:

BB is 17.66/5.8/0.68 over 700 hands, no reads or stats on CO, but probably a standard fish because of his low stack.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 ($58.55)
MP3 ($84.85)
CO ($32.30)
Button ($1.30)
Hero ($49.50)
BB ($50)
UTG ($159.95)
UTG+1 ($12.30)
MP1 ($38.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, 8

.
5 folds, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 6

, 7

(3 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6) T

(3 players)
Hero bets $4.5, BB raises to $10, CO calls $10, ??

Should I call and hope for a cheap showdown or just fold? If I call, how much am I willing to call on the river?

Hand 3:

BB is a huge calling station and a total fish, so I'm not really worried about him. UTG+1 was something like 20/7 over 20 or so hands at the time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($58.55)
MP1 ($83.55)
MP2 ($7.45)
Hero ($50)
Button ($100.85)
SB ($146.65)
BB ($11)
UTG ($38.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, J

.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.25) J

, 9

, 3

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $4.5, BB raises to $9, UTG+1 calls $9, ??

I don't always call this preflop, so no need to comment on that. My flop bet could be seen as a steal, but would UTG+1 cold call a bet and a raise with something I could beat? Note that BB is all in.

I'm having troubles with hands like these, where I'm probably facing a bet later in the hand and I have to fold, but I still call them in the first place because of tempting pot odds, even though my hand is unlikely to improve.

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Muzzard

10-21-2006, 06:50 PM

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Dude these are 3 tricky hands indeed!

Hand 1
If your villan is that tight/weak then I think you might be beat. In this spot the only hands that you are beating here are JJ and the flush draw. Doubtfull he has KK+ and you cant put him on two pair. With the limp call PF I suggest he has 44 or 88. Good fold IMO

Hand 2
This sucks, I'd be happy laying this down even if on showdown one only had trips. 6/7 or 7/10 is a possibility with liming preflop and it could even be a split pot with onother 9/8. Its a danger hand and with only $6 invested I'd be happy to get out as you could be losing a lot more! Fold even though you might have the best hand

Hand 3
You are right there is no way BB is smooth calling with anything that you can beat. My guess is JJ+.. Not sure about BB he could be drawing OESD/Trips/Two pair

Thats my take

Numbr2intheWorld

10-21-2006, 07:05 PM

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Wow, great hands...

1) I don't want to stack myself with a not even close to nut hand, it's a tough fold but a good one.

2) i call and try to show down for cheap. If someone goes all in ahead of you, i fold. But you have a pretty good hand and you shouldn't fold it.

3)hmm, since the BB is all in and you cut off the action i call. check turn, if UTG bets you know he's got you beat, and you can get out.

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10-21-2006, 08:24 PM

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vegascoop

10-22-2006, 02:52 AM

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These are good. Any reads on how any of these villains may see you at the time?

My thought on Hand 1 is the obvious. Considering villain, you are at best 50/50 against a strong draw like JcTc, AcTc+, but also likely against a set. My standard line here is to probably fold, but I wonder if calling, getting over 4 to 1 might not be correct with position. In general, how often will 'this' guy check to us if the turn bricks and he is on the draw?

Huey

10-23-2006, 09:48 AM

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Here are the results:

Hand 1: I folded

Hand 2:

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, 8

.
5 folds, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 6

, 7

(3 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6) T

(3 players)
Hero bets $4.5, BB raises to $10, CO calls $10, Hero calls $5.50.

River: ($36) 9

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $20, CO raises to $20.3, Hero folds, BB calls $0.30.

Final Pot: $76.60

Results in white below:
BB has 6c 7d (full house, sevens full of sixes).
CO has 7h Ks (three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: BB wins $76.60.

Hand 3:

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, J

.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.25) J

, 9

, 3

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $4.5, BB raises to $9, UTG+1 calls $9, Hero calls $4.50.

Turn: ($33.25) 4

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($33.25) K

(3 players)
UTG+1 bets $20, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $53.25

Results in white below:
BB has 3c 3d (three of a kind, threes).
UTG+1 has Qs Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $33.25. BB wins $20.

I never thought villain would call with two overs (+ a gutshot), but I guess anything is possible when you don't have a read.

Thanks for the help guys.

biondino

10-23-2006, 12:59 PM

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Well, I lost a stack on the second one, but in my defence (sort of) I had it in my head it was 6max. Nice fold.

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