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08-26-2005, 02:36 PM Post subject: Three Hearts On Board

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Bodog's hand histories suck so I'm going to have to type this one out.

NL100. Villian has a stack of about $155, my stack (Hero) has a stack of about $110. Hero is on Button+1, Villian is to my immediate right. My read on Villian was that he was a good and solid player. He had shown down nothing but good hands, he also had some hands that never made it to showdown that he won, too.

Cards Dealt to Hero: Ad Qs.
Everyone folds to Villian.
Villian calls $1
Hero raises to $5
SB folds
BB folds
Villian calls $5.
Flop: Ah Kh 6h
Villian checks
Hero bets $8
Villian bets $25
Hero ????

I'm either way ahead or way behind here. Even if I'm "way ahead" the Villian probably has outs to a flush if he has one heart in his hand (which I don't). I could be way behind looking at a set (666). I could also be looking at a made hand trying to protect against an higher flush. I could also be looking at a big-time bluff.

Do I fold, call, or push? I'd like to hear a few opinions before I tell you what happened along with my thoughts on this situation.

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08-26-2005, 02:51 PM

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I would need a strong read here to push. You're hand isn't very strong, there aren't many hands that would check raise this flop that you are ahead of, unless he has a read on you that says he can bluff you on a 3 suited board. I usually would just fold here, the turn and river are going to be pricey and you're hand isnt as likely to improve as it is for the board to get scarier.

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08-26-2005, 02:54 PM

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That looks like a strong semi-bluff to me, I would put him on a flush draw if not already a made flush. The only other possibility I would put him on is a set. I dont think it would be a good decision to put him on a bluff with a strong board like that (which could be easily called otherwise). I would probably fold here.

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08-26-2005, 04:19 PM

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This is not a way ahead/way behind situation. Either you are a little bit ahead (he's drawing to 9 outs), a little bit behind (he's drawing to 13 or 14 outs gutshot+flush draw or pair + flush draw), way behind (AK or set), or drawing dead to a made flush. I think villain's checkraise represents his willingness to play for stacks here. You've raised preflop and he has every reason to put you on the hand you have or stronger, but he is not afraid to hugely checkraise you. This is not a bluff. I think the best you can hope for is a hand like QJ (one heart) and you have to dodge 13 outs twice. Pick a better spot.

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08-26-2005, 05:17 PM

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How were you perceived at the table? If villain knew you to be aggressive and put down a continuation bet on whatever flop may come, he might have checked it to you with a set.

I'd say you're behind most of the time here and I'd fold it.

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08-26-2005, 07:03 PM

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Fold it. The boards is too scary, the reraise shows too much strength, you have him pegged as solid. That's plenty enough to convince me.

08-26-2005, 08:30 PM

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My read on this player was as a good and solid player. Having said that, things didn't add up for me to fold this hand. I knew he didn't have AK or AQ (he would have raised preflop). He probably doesn't limp A6 there and call my raise, so that's out. I seriously doubt he has a made-flush on the flop, so I'm not putting him on that.

If he has 66 here and just got his set, wouldn't he bet into me on this kind of flop for information? That seems like the logical play for him to do, and the CHEAPER play for him to do. For all he knows I have a made-flush, with him check raising me it's going to cost him $25 to get information (instead of betting out and having it cost him half/full pot sized bet).

Adding it all up, the way I bet, the way he bet, etc...I put him on a pocket pair of some type with one of his hole cards being a heart. So basically he was making a semi-bluff.

Saying all of that, I still FOLDED. Dude ends up turning over 3d 3h. I still definitely am ahead here but I let the hand go. I went against my read and decided to find a better spot.

Having said all of that, do you still fold? Was this the wrong/right play? It looks like most of you agree with my fold....and I guess I do too, but my read on this was semi-bluff, I went against it, and I ended up being right.

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08-26-2005, 09:35 PM

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I see your point, but are you prepared to push over his reraise into that board, he could easily have had a hand where he'd have to call (of course here he doesn't). If you just call and he leads big at a rag(non-heart) turn, what then?

I don't think he can credit you for a made flush. What hand would you raise 5x PF with...KJs? KTs? JTs?

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08-26-2005, 11:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultimate George

Dude ends up turning over 3d 3h. I still definitely am ahead here but I let the hand go.

You were only a 58/42 favorite, and this is about the best situation you could hope for on opponent's range of hands. Definately a good fold, even if this time you happened to be ahead. I think this is reinforced by the fact that villain showed his hand -- if he was often making moves like this, the last thing he would want is people to know.

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08-27-2005, 12:38 AM

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Immediate fold. Without a heart, your hand is nearly worthless if you're confronted with strength.

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08-27-2005, 02:43 AM

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Easy Fold for me.

Why couldn't he have AK?

I don't always re-raise with A/K off suit.
I like to see a flop.

At best you are barley ahead. No reason to push this tiny edge when you can get a canyon just by waiting a few orbits.

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