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Old 08-03-2006, 07:51 PM     Post subject: Three hands #1 (permalink)  
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I'm not going to say anything by way of introduction but appreciate all comments.

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PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($4.95)
SB ($21.50)
Hero ($22.15)
UTG ($7.65)
MP1 ($23.80)
MP2 ($66.05)
CO ($54.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q.
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to $1, MP2 calls $0.75, CO calls $0.75, SB folds.

Flop: ($3.25) 7, A, K (3 players)
Hero bets $3, MP2 folds, CO calls $3.

Turn: ($9.25) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO raises to $26.8, Hero calls $12.15 (All-In).

River: ($54.20) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $54.20



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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($25.35)
MP1 ($33.40)
MP2 ($26.50)
MP3 ($8.25)
CO ($12.25)
Button ($21.20)
SB ($13.70)
BB ($17.55)
UTG ($13.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 2 folds, Button raises to $2.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25, MP2 calls $1.25.

Flop: ($7.10) 7, 9, 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets $2, Hero calls $2, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($11.10) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero calls $4.

River: ($19.10) T (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: $19.10

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(The funny part is me misclicking and accidentally CRing the river.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($4.95)
UTG ($21.25)
Hero ($51.50)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($23.55)
CO ($54.25)
Button ($45.30)
SB ($2.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, Q. MP1 posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, Button calls $1, 2 folds.

Flop: ($2.60) Q, 7, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, Button calls $2.50.

Turn: ($7.60) T (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button calls $5.

River: ($17.60) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero raises to $20, Button calls $10.

Final Pot: $57.60
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Old 08-03-2006, 07:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Got reads?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
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Old 08-03-2006, 08:10 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Tables are looser-than average for stars; don't have anything on specific opps as I'm doind a few things at once just now.
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Old 08-03-2006, 11:18 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Playing for stacks with TPGK and TPTK are fine when the moment is right.. and the moment is right with the correct reads... otherwise I tend to not like to throw my stack in the middle with 1 pair.

And I think you played the QQ too passively. His bets were 1/4 pot all the way through and you just called down.

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Old 08-04-2006, 12:21 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I think you played the QQ too passively. His bets were 1/4 pot all the way through and you just called down.
I'm actually kind of proud of this line. I was wondering as I did it. My thoughts
-at least 60% chance this is KK/AA.
-I could raise it up "to find out if I'm beat", but for some reason I think opp will push anything, and I've got that other 40% inclining me to (a probably bad) call.
-If I just call he might think I hit random 2 pair and check behind the river (That's what I'd do with AA/KK). I'm okay paying a few bucks to show this.
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Old 08-04-2006, 02:59 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 hand 1 looks iffy
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Old 08-04-2006, 05:04 AM #7 (permalink)  
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iffy in what sense. what's the range?

EDIT: more specifically what's the likelihood of each of these:
A6
A7
66
77

Ax (esp AsXs) -- most likely by far in my opinion...
67?

I disregard AA/KK/AK for obvious reasons.
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Old 08-04-2006, 01:20 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I disregard AA/KK/AK for obvious reasons.
Why disregard AK here? Not everyone will reraise AK (I'd say outside of FTR, a lot won't). Not a bad play on his part if that's what he has-- he has to figure he's at least splitting the pot here and he's not too worried about you having AA/KK. 77 and AK are at the top of my list-- without reads I'd say 85%. The other 10% are some Ax hand where he paired his kicker on the flop or turn (which I doubt-- he's gotten himself a +200BB stack. Without reads I give him the benefit of a doubt). I don't like our chances here, but meh-- after our turn bet we're close to pot stuck. Probably weak-tight of me, but I check that turn to him and see what he does.

I like the QQ play. We got reraised pre-flop and that doesn't happen often if we're playing tight/solid. If we bet the flop, I can see JJ/TT raising if he puts us on AK/AQ or a draw or if he thinks we're trying to pick off a c-bet(and AA/KK is raising of course). Then what? We're stuck with a tricky decision-- we either have to lay down the best hand or we bloat the pot to critical mass while behind to AA/KK. I just don't want to play for a big pot here.
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Old 08-04-2006, 04:26 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Thanks for thoughtful comments, doc. One thing:

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Why disregard AK here? Not everyone will reraise AK (I'd say outside of FTR, a lot won't).
Villain limped this pf. If he shows AK, I'll be making a ton off him later. But I consider that *very unlikely.

My likelihood estimates
pure semifbluff (two spades): 30% I win about 80% of these
semi semibluff (AsXs): 30% I win about 70% of these
twopair (A6/A7/K6/K7/67): 25% I win about 10% of these -- e.g. catch a queen
set of sevens: 13% I lose
set of sixes: 1% (would need to have called pot with underpair
some other pp: 1%

Looks like I'm calling 12 to win 50, and have much better than 25% chance of taking it. I'm just worried that I overestimate the semibluff likelilhoods...

'Course I didn't do all this math at the time, I just called. Opp showed 67 and is prolly pist about the river.
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Old 08-04-2006, 04:41 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 when you get raised holding an obv one pair hand at these stakes its time to fold.
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Thanks for thoughtful comments, doc. One thing:

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Why disregard AK here? Not everyone will reraise AK (I'd say outside of FTR, a lot won't).
Villain limped this pf.
Doh!
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Old 08-04-2006, 07:23 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Thanks for thoughtful comments, doc. One thing:

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Why disregard AK here? Not everyone will reraise AK (I'd say outside of FTR, a lot won't).
Villain limped this pf.
Doh!
they limp AK too

Infact, they limp AA which can be costly.

POKERSTARS GAME #5788343326: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/08/03 - 21:50:17 (ET)
Table 'Tamariwa' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: WuMing ($3.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Miffed22001 ($69.40 in chips)
Seat 3: houstonpkr ($36.20 in chips)
Seat 4: greed22 ($51.70 in chips)
Seat 5: PLO_90 ($6.90 in chips)
Seat 6: SteveBPA ($26.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Monte car ($43.45 in chips)
Seat 8: hardkAre ($105 in chips)
Seat 9: mistermans ($30.70 in chips)
houstonpkr: posts small blind $0.25
greed22: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Miffed22001 [8s 7s]
PLO_90: folds
SteveBPA: folds
Monte car: calls $0.50
hardkAre: folds
mistermans: folds
WuMing: calls $0.50
Miffed22001: calls $0.50
houstonpkr: folds
greed22: raises $2 to $2.50
Monte car: calls $2
WuMing: folds
Miffed22001: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [9h 6h Tc]
greed22: bets $5
Monte car: raises $35.95 to $40.95 and is all-in
Miffed22001: raises $25.95 to $66.90 and is all-in
greed22: folds
*** TURN *** [9h 6h Tc] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [9h 6h Tc 3d] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Monte car: shows [Ah As] (a pair of Aces)
Miffed22001: shows [8s 7s] (a straight, Six to Ten)
Miffed22001 collected $92.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $95.15 | Rake $3
Board [9h 6h Tc 3d Qs]
Seat 1: WuMing folded before Flop
Seat 2: Miffed22001 (button) showed [8s 7s] and won ($92.15) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 3: houstonpkr (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: greed22 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: PLO_90 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: SteveBPA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Monte car showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 8: hardkAre folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mistermans folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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well played, miffed.
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Old 08-04-2006, 07:31 PM #14 (permalink)  
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well played, miffed.
lolit wasnt to suggest i could play the nuts it was more the fact the guy limp called pushed with AA.
That is something so unfamiliar to me, you wouldnt believe.

A guy asks me today, after he calls a 3bet cold from the sb, why i wont call his bet on the rag flop with KK with so much money already invested
I answer: dont play so passivly with rockets, ive got KK, im not folding if you push preflop.

These guys are so passive/tight they are missing out on winning major pots imo. Obv im playing well within my br at the moment while i relearn the stars game, but trapping with one pair hands vs your avergae opponent is very very predictable and exploitable. I see it at 200nl and 400nl on stars too which makes me very interested.
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Old 08-04-2006, 07:33 PM #15 (permalink)  
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This is pretty common in that game, actually. Limp AA, then go berzerk on a later street. Sometimes even the river, that's fun to watch.
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Old 08-04-2006, 07:39 PM #16 (permalink)  
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This is pretty common in that game, actually. Limp AA, then go berzerk on a later street. Sometimes even the river, that's fun to watch.
tell me about it
infact while youre in the thread, are the 100nl 200nl and 400nl games on stars just the same? They looked it from what i had chance to watch.
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Old 08-04-2006, 07:43 PM #17 (permalink)  
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I don't play much full ring at Stars anymore. If you're into full ring Party is a so much better game. I had to learn to slow down a bit to crush Party NL200, now that I'm switching over to 6 max, I've had to learn to change it up some more.
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Old 08-04-2006, 07:49 PM #18 (permalink)  
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I don't play much full ring at Stars anymore. If you're into full ring Party is a so much better game. I had to learn to slow down a bit to crush Party NL200, now that I'm switching over to 6 max, I've had to learn to change it up some more.
the party game gives me 'some' limited trouble because of my aggression in position vs the calling station nature of the game there (or so i found)

Also, i have comp problems that limit my table numbers on party atm.
Yet im stil not sure the stars game actually suits me better or that i can expoit it players better.
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