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Lukie

12-27-2005, 08:56 AM Post subject: Thoughts on back to back hands from blinds

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My table image is terrible.. I've shown down some absolute trash and in the few orbits I've been at the table, my PFR has to be > 50%. Most of those ended without a showdown. ultra ultra ultra laggy. Reckless.

Here I am pulling off a squeeze with a rather large reraise with AK out of the BB. When he comes over the top of me it's an easy call.. I'm about even money with KK and am ahead or easily have odds to call any other hand. Should I just call here and see a flop? I think with my image, I can get calls from worse hands, especially from brockrick, who I'd also have position on post-flop.

POKERSTARS GAME #3448219632: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/12/27 - 04:38:58 (ET)
Table 'Chara' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: Pat23 ($128.65 in chips)
Seat 3: brodrick9 ($75.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Lukieplaya ($130.05 in chips)
Seat 6: laserman123 ($45.70 in chips)
brodrick9: posts small blind $0.50
Lukieplaya: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [Kh Ac]
Nooo FEAR joins the table at seat #1
laserman123: raises $2 to $3
Pat23: folds
brodrick9: calls $2.50
Lukieplaya: raises $12 to $15
laserman123: raises $30.70 to $45.70 and is all-in
brodrick9: folds
Lukieplaya: calls $30.70
*** FLOP *** [5s Tc 5h]
*** TURN *** [5s Tc 5h] [Th]
GotThatFire joins the table at seat #4
*** RIVER *** [5s Tc 5h Th] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lukieplaya: shows [Kh Ac] (two pair, Tens and Fives)
laserman123: shows [As Ad] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
laserman123 collected $92.40 from pot
Lukieplaya said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $94.40 | Rake $2
Board [5s Tc 5h Th Qs]
Seat 2: Pat23 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: brodrick9 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Lukieplaya (big blind) showed [Kh Ac] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fives
Seat 6: laserman123 showed [As Ad] and won ($92.40) with two pair, Aces and Tens

Here is the next hand.. It's a nice flop but not one where I want a significant portion of my stack invested on the flop OOP for the rest of my hand. This kind of move is better reserved for when you have a better image, but all the money went in when I was a favorite so I'm not too concerned about that.

POKERSTARS GAME #3448222223: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/12/27 - 04:39:47 (ET)
Table 'Chara' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Pat23 ($128.65 in chips)
Seat 3: brodrick9 ($72.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Lukieplaya ($84.35 in chips)
Seat 6: laserman123 ($92.40 in chips)
GotThatFire will be allowed to play after the button
Lukieplaya: posts small blind $0.50
laserman123: posts big blind $1
Nooo FEAR: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lukieplaya [8h Th]
Pat23: calls $1
laserman123 said, "ty"
brodrick9: calls $1
Lukieplaya: calls $0.50
laserman123: checks
*** FLOP *** [9h Jh 4d]
Lukieplaya: bets $3
laserman123: calls $3
Pat23: calls $3
brodrick9: raises $9 to $12
Lukieplaya: raises $71.35 to $83.35 and is all-in
laserman123: folds
Pat23: folds
GotThatFire leaves the table
brodrick9: calls $59.70 and is all-in
GotThatFire joins the table at seat #4
*** TURN *** [9h Jh 4d] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [9h Jh 4d 6d] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lukieplaya: shows [8h Th] (a pair of Nines)
brodrick9: shows [Ac Jd] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
brodrick9 collected $151.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $153.40 | Rake $2
Board [9h Jh 4d 6d 9s]
Seat 2: Pat23 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: brodrick9 (button) showed [Ac Jd] and won ($151.40) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 5: Lukieplaya (small blind) showed [8h Th] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 6: laserman123 (big blind) folded on the Flop

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12-27-2005, 09:02 AM

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Hand 1: What's the opener's PFR? What'cha know about him? That really drives the play.

Hand 2: Lots of people know the play. Lots of people like to call and will for any reason they can find. Hence, you need to be careful here. Raising to $30 or $40 would have the same effect and not look so obvious. Also, I like to push sets on boards like this because I get called so darn often.

Perhaps your focus on super-aggression is making you a little more self-centered and focusing less on what your opponents are doing?

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Lukie

12-27-2005, 09:20 AM

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1: PFRer has been opening for 3x. I've been opening for 4x. I havn't bumped it up a second time preflop yet but I did fold to a preflop reraise from pat23 when I held QT. Nothing too unusual.

2: It's a bit of an unusual situation given my image so, to be perfectly honest, I'm a bit stumped about how to best play this flop. If I reraise to ~half my stack though, I'm in a very difficult situation being out of position with a lot of money invested if I miss the turn. I am trying to represent a very strong hand here though, so maybe an all-in is a bit extreme. *Shrugs* I dunno. Maybe I'll do some better thinking in the morning when I'm not so tired.

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Perhaps your focus on super-aggression is making you a little more self-centered and focusing less on what your opponents are doing?

Perhaps. I can certainly pick my times to be agressive, but not to the point of being a maniac. Hand 1 I get it all-in with AK and a horrid table image against a half-stack. Hand 2 I get it all-in as a favorite. Right now I'm going to bed but I'll come back to this thread in the morning.

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12-27-2005, 09:24 AM

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1: PFRer has been opening for 3x.

How often? What's his range of hands here?

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If I reraise to ~half my stack though, I'm in a very difficult situation being out of position with a lot of money invested if I miss the turn.

The rest of the money goes in on any turn. You're raising less of your stack to balance out how you would play other hands and to make it less obvious what you're trying to do here.

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Hand 2 I get it all-in as a favorite.

Yeah, didn't look closely enough at the HH. Probably such that you really don't care much what he does.

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12-27-2005, 02:52 PM

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How often? What's his range of hands here?

46/11 over 28 hands of 6 max. I don't play pokerstars very much so all the data is from this session.. the only other hand which he showed down where he raised PF was QJo.

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The rest of the money goes in on any turn. You're raising less of your stack to balance out how you would play other hands and to make it less obvious what you're trying to do here.

It's close. The thing is though, I expect to be called in either case if he has much of anything. There aren't too many hands I expect to be behind on the flop either.

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Yeah, didn't look closely enough at the HH. Probably such that you really don't care much what he does

I figured Jx was his most likely holding.. so I still preferred a fold. What do you think of his call with AJ here?

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12-27-2005, 03:14 PM

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hand 1
Yuk, easy fold no matter what image u have
hand 2
bet big on the flop if he pushes u fold if u cant get odds fold.

Ugly play imo

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12-27-2005, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fnord

Perhaps your focus on super-aggression is making you a little more self-centered and focusing less on what your opponents are doing?

This is an easy trap to fall into. Your reads become more difficult when you force your opponents to play against you. You have a harder time gauging the strength of their hands. Just remember that your image will not have an effect on half the people you play against. Find out who is aware, and who isn't. Only adjust the range of the opponents who are REALLY playing back at you. This is so important.

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Lukie

12-27-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Miffed22001

hand 1
Yuk, easy fold no matter what image u have
hand 2
bet big on the flop if he pushes u fold if u cant get odds fold.

Ugly play imo

1: fold when? To the original raise or the rereraise? Explain your reasoning.

2: 1-bet big or 3-bet big on the flop? (your advice) is that how you play a flopped open-ended straight flush draw OOP?

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12-27-2005, 05:15 PM

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Hand 1 is fine against a 10%ish PFR. When he goes over-the-top you're in trouble and the call of $30 more is probably close.

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Lukie

12-27-2005, 05:38 PM

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Is it really close to call an all-in here 4 handed getting better then 2:1 with AK and a terrible image? He has less than half of a full stack to start the hand. I think this is a trivially easy call.

Lukie

12-27-2005, 05:40 PM

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I agree I'm probably in trouble though.. but villain has to have AA a large percentage of the time for this call to be -EV.. and putting him on that is not something I'm willing to do 4-handed and in this situation.

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