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Old 07-26-2006, 04:44 AM     Post subject: There has to be a better way to play the hand... #1 (permalink)  
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The Dreaded Big Slick OOP. When I play it fast, I get stacked. When I slow down, I feel like I fold the best hand. Basically I don't know how to play this correctly. The AI at the end especially made no sense in retrospect.

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Hero ($22.60)
Button ($34.73)
SB ($24)
BB ($50.72)
UTG ($19.95)
UTG+1 ($30.72)
UTG+2 ($32.50)
MP1 ($37.95)
MP2 ($9.75)
MP3 ($2.95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A. SB posts a blind of $0.10. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $0.5, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP3 calls $2.95 (All-In), Hero calls $2.95, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $2.85, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.45, UTG+2 folds.

Flop: ($12.80) 2, 5, A (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets $2, UTG folds, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $6.

Turn: ($28.80) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($28.80) K (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero calls $11.65 (All-In), SB calls $11.65.

Final Pot: $52.10

Results in white below:
SB has Ad Qs (one pair, aces).
MP3 has 8c 8d (one pair, eights).
Hero has Kh Ah (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $52.10.
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Old 07-26-2006, 07:09 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I bet the turn again. It's another harmless card. The river push is standard.
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Old 07-26-2006, 12:59 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Anyone else reraise PF? I would....isolation against the shorty is goot in a lot of situations.

I raise flop to almost size of the pot. Maybe $12.

I bet turn.

River push standard.
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Anyone else reraise PF? I would....isolation against the shorty is goot in a lot of situations.

I raise flop to almost size of the pot. Maybe $12.

I bet turn.

River push standard.
My thought process was as such:

Pre-flop I wasn't going to re-raise to isolate the shortie because as far as I was concerned with him, his $2.95 stack didn't really factor in. I WANTED someone else. I got 2 someone elses. Ruh oh.

On the flop a $2 bet into a $12 pot was either one of two things: a really weak attempt to take the pot (to which I should re-raise, which was good) or ridiculous bet designed to get a raise and then push over top of (which I probably would have folded to... right or wrong?).

The turn was a check behind because I still had it in my mind he had 55 and was slowplaying it so I wanted another street to evaluate. If he checked the river, he either had infinite patience (incredibly unlikely as I had been playing rock tight) or I was good.

River check comes and now I have aces up, beating anything weaker like A5 or AQ. However I didn't think he would call an AI given his actions and I was going to bet only $6 looking for a call but I got distracted by my phone and pushed and called anyway. Still, if I was that afraid of 55, my aces up were beat anyway and... I don't know. I'm just wary of getting stacked with TPTK or 2 pair when I think I'm against a set.

This hand I played a really weird mixture of loose (pre-flop), semi-aggressive (flop re-raise but probably not enough), scared (check behind), and given my previous actions, nonsensically aggressive again (AI push). I just... don't really know how to play it in general. When I'm full steam ahead like I said, I'll be committed (say $7 to win $35) by the time I get re-raised, and when I play more cautiously I feel like I get pushed off. Basically I gotta let the doubt go and just play it standardly then?

Lots of people play thinking what cards can help them (ooh I've got midpair, inside straight, and a backdoor flush), but I tend to think what hands have me crushed and if I had these specific hands in the villain's place, would I play them the way he's playing? Is that self-defeating? Because there's nearly always gonna be hands that beat yours.
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Old 07-26-2006, 02:33 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I like your line. River push almost looks like a donk bluff after your opponents showed weakness...

I am not sure, but I might have called this with AQ aswell, just because your line doesn't seem to make sense. Not playing predictable, thats's a goal, and you achieved it...
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Old 07-26-2006, 02:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 pretty draw free turn so i can see why you checked, id still bet though.
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