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Old 12-31-2007, 09:57 AM     Post subject: survey says... #1 (permalink)  
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UTG ($25.35)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($20.85)
MP2 ($15.60)
MP3 ($21.70)
CO ($34.25)
Hero ($51.60)
SB ($15.50)
BB ($25.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, J.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB|BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 9, J, 5 (4 players)
BB|BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, BB|BB folds, UTG calls $1.

Turn: ($4.25) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.

River: ($5.75) T (2 players)
UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $5, UTG raises to $22.85, Hero ?.
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:38 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Survey says he's probably got a set. But think of it this way. He has bet every street, even though you raised the flop; he has re-raised all in on the river; and you are beaten by an obvious straight and any set. It's all about relative hand values, and yours is way down the pecking order.

Also, if he is putting you on a hand here, he has to think you have TP, set, or maybe even the straight draw that hits. And yet he re-raises your extremely strong river bet. He can't think he has fold equity after your two raises - this looks like the nuts, or perhaps a set misplayed in the classic donk fashion of getting the money in when he's no longer got the nuts.

So - you need a read of exceptional reliability to call this - he needs to be a proven maniac and/or idiot who slowplays AA. But at 25nl I think you're behind literally 95% of the time.
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Old 12-31-2007, 01:49 PM #4 (permalink)  
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i couldnt understand why you limped in JT offsuit on the button. I either raise to isolate donks or just simply fold it . As played, i'd just call his bet on the river instead of raising and fold to his shove.
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Old 12-31-2007, 01:51 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 Raise preflop. As played, fold to river shove.
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In some games you can limp behind with JT. I do it all the time. I haven't enough of a database to know if it's better/worse than mucking/raising, though.
 
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I may limp TJ suited, usually never TJo, with out reads this is tuff, people limp in all positions with absolutely trash. Ive seen people limp UTG Q3 off suit and then call a raise.
Most times when the bettor overbets big, or goes all in on the river they are usually looking to get paid off.

I think calling the river bet would be ok. The reraise Allin means they have you beat.

my guess:

UTG limps w/ 7 8 suited bets his gutshot, calls the raise and hits it on the turn.
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Old 01-03-2008, 12:40 AM #9 (permalink)  
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