|
Fnord
|
06-03-2008, 02:25 PM
Post subject: Suited trash on the button, post-flop
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,336
|
|
$5/$10 $500 buy-in
2 terrible players limp, I play my button with :Js: 
~$40 in the pot.
Flop is
:Qs:  
One of the limpers (over $1k, I cover) bets out $25. This could be a lot of stuff, including air. However, he's really stubborn post-flop.
What's our plan?
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
Deanglow
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: lol
Posts: 2,443
|
|
what is your image this time?
|
|
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,992
|
|
i would raise, buy a turn free card which i'll take, and not be too unhappy about folding to a reraise.
|
|
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,992
|
|
even though he's stubborn, he's folding some, but raising is still good because it allows us to build a pot with deep stacks in case we hit, at which point we'll probably get paid given your read.
|
|
|
|
elipsesjeff
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,900
|
|
If they're that bad I wont raise and I'll draw for cheap and expect to get paid when I hit. Raising a worse flush draw out here would be criminal.
|
Check out my videos at Grinderschool.com
More Full Ring NLHE Cash videos than ANY other poker training site. Training starts at $10/month.
|
|
badgers
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
If they're that bad I wont raise and I'll draw for cheap and expect to get paid when I hit.
|
|
3k post - Return of the blog!
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,992
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Raising a worse flush draw out here would be criminal.
|
please explain
|
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Renton
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Raising a worse flush draw out here would be criminal.
|
please explain |
cuz you will surely get a stack if you both hit?
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
badgers
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
|
|
I don't think worse fds make up a big part of his range... I'm more concerned about getting it in with his one pair hands that would still stack when we hit.
|
3k post - Return of the blog!
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,992
|
|
its not as if we have the nfd here
|
|
|
|
elipsesjeff
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,900
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Renton
its not as if we have the nfd here
|
no sense in building pot for better FDs that aren't folding (again, they're bad). River bluffs might work against these guys if they bet/bet/check.
|
Check out my videos at Grinderschool.com
More Full Ring NLHE Cash videos than ANY other poker training site. Training starts at $10/month.
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,992
|
|
all i'm saying is that the fact that our flush draw isn't all that great makes it more of a raise than if it were the nfd.
|
|
|
|
elipsesjeff
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,900
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Renton
all i'm saying is that the fact that our flush draw isn't all that great makes it more of a raise than if it were the nfd.
|
its not that bad of a draw, its the 3rd NFD and more worse ones out there than good ones.
I generally dont like to raise retards on draws no matter how strong they are, as they'll pay off a lot more with TP the deeper into the hand they get.
|
Check out my videos at Grinderschool.com
More Full Ring NLHE Cash videos than ANY other poker training site. Training starts at $10/month.
|
|
Fnord
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,336
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Deanglow
what is your image this time?
|
Kinda tight, been seen going in a little light. Running kinda bad but just felted KJs TP for over $600 against a player who was retarded enough that I had to felt it. I'm almost unstuck for the day, lol.
|
|
|
|
Fnord
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,336
|
|
My flop play:
I raised to $75, hoping to blow him off of maybe middle/bottom pair kinda stuff and set-up a big pot I can value bet into if I hit. He calls.
$190 in the pot
Turn is:
:Ac:
He donks $50, now what?
edit: Fixed the turn card.
|
|
|
|
BankItDrew
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
Posts: 2,789
|
|
Call. Your pot odds are great and according to your read + flop action, you have close to zero FE.
|
Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
|
|
wufwugy
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
|
|
he has a queen and is never folding
|
|
|
|
elipsesjeff
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,900
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Call. Your pot odds are great and according to your read + flop action, you have close to zero FE.
|
|
Check out my videos at Grinderschool.com
More Full Ring NLHE Cash videos than ANY other poker training site. Training starts at $10/month.
|
|
badgers
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Spewing
Posts: 3,372
|
|
that ^
|
3k post - Return of the blog!
|
|
wufwugy
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
|
|
those
|
|
|
|
Fnord
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,336
|
|
I called.
$390 in the pot
River is:
:Jc:
He bets another $50, are we buying him dinner?
|
|
|
|
Warpe
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 3,905
|
|
Seems like weaksauce given the pot size but I don't know how these games play. I want to raise but calling isn't bad.
|
|
|
|
elipsesjeff
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 4,900
|
|
gross spot
|
Check out my videos at Grinderschool.com
More Full Ring NLHE Cash videos than ANY other poker training site. Training starts at $10/month.
|
|
BankItDrew
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
Posts: 2,789
|
|
fold or raise to $350.
|
Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
|
|
Keilah
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Northern BC, Canada
Posts: 658
|
|
Previous action says you're probably beat, but you've got something and it's megacheap, so I'd just call.
|
|
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,992
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
fold or raise to $350.
|
its definitely call or fold imo
|
|
|
|
d0zer
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,527
|
|
I think a case could be made for calling, folding and raising, depending on more specific reads.
Is he weak leading the river because he has nothing, or cause he's got a queen and is scared of the ace? How scared is he of that ace, and is he capable of laying down a queen with an ace over, given your tight image? Then again, if he's terrible as in "station terrible", then a raise is probably bad.
Is he stubborn as in can't give up on a draw hand that missed and MUST take a weak stab? Call seems ok here then given how infrequently we've gotta be ahead to make this call profitable.
Even if he's a classic station making a weak-fear bet on the river with a Q, he probably shows up with a missed FD, or air enough times that a call has at least some slim value. That's my default play without a better read, but I am known for being a payoff bitch on the river.
|
|
|
|
wufwugy
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,660
|
|
call. odds are great. he could have fd.
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
06-01-2012, 11:03 AM White House Responds to Poker Players Alliance's Petition
Linear Mode
