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Old 10-29-2004, 08:00 AM     Post subject: Straight Up #1 (permalink)  
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#Game No : 1104068056
***** Hand History for Game 1104068056 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, October 26, 17:23:39 EDT 2004
Table Table 14385 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: corpwarrior ( $9.85 )
Seat 10: gman168 ( $38.5 )
Seat 5: Hogimacaca ( $21.3 )
Seat 6: bensusan2004 ( $25.28 )
Seat 8: countychamp ( $31.42 )
bensusan2004 posts small blind [$0.25].
countychamp posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hogimacaca [ 9h Th ]
gman168 folds.
corpwarrior calls [$0.5].
Hogimacaca calls [$0.5].
bensusan2004 calls [$0.25].
countychamp checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, 4d, 7s ]
bensusan2004 checks.
countychamp checks.
corpwarrior checks.
Hogimacaca checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
bensusan2004 checks.
countychamp checks.
corpwarrior checks.
Hogimacaca checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
bensusan2004 bets [$2].
countychamp folds.
corpwarrior folds.
Hogimacaca is all-In.
bensusan2004 calls [$18.8].
bensusan2004 shows [ 5h, Td ] a straight, four to eight.
Hogimacaca shows [ 9h, Th ] a straight, six to ten.
Hogimacaca wins $41.60 from the main pot with a straight, six to ten.

Ok, so my boy ben here may have the IQ of a rock with down syndrome, but I may too. I have heard people say bet your outs, and others say get them cheap. In this situation I do belive it was proper to play check mate with each other until the river gave me the nuts.If I would have bet he may have folded, or not, dem fish loooove gut shot straight draws, but I am guessing he would have. I mean perhaps he thought I had 2 pair or trips when I pushed... It is hard for me to see that a player has a higher straight than me when there are four to a straight out on the board. And all in bet did make ben suspicious, called with 2sec left on timer. Especially when the cards are that low(easier seeing it with that mofo who raises 2 dollars like he always does with AK and the flop coming 10 J Q, and he pushes in and decimates my three 10s hah well I guess it is not easy...) Well enough with the rambling. Bet your draws or get em cheap?

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Old 10-29-2004, 08:50 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Well played.

Get 'em cheap. It's more profitable than semi-bluffing when playing against passive calling stations.

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Old 10-29-2004, 03:02 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Depends on how many outs I have, If I have just an open ended straight draw I say get it cheap. If I am opened ended and a flush draw then I bet it. It also depends on my opponent and what I know he's likely to do.
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Old 10-29-2004, 03:35 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Getting it cheap is great as long as you aren't losing out on bet odds or reducing your chances of a successful bluff if someone is on a draw with bottom pair (if you intend to bluff that is).

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Yes I did smile

I haven't felt that good since I did all of you mothers!

Thank you for the replies, your advice is appreciated.
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Old 10-29-2004, 06:46 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I prefer getting cards for free however a few reasons you might bet:
- Sometimes a medicore lead bet sets the tone and discourages some maniac to over bet the pot requiring you to fold b/c of pot odds.
- If in position (helps with min bets in front of you). It might be good to bet or raise. Gets money in the pot (you have pot odds already) and probably buys you a free card.
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