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Old 07-05-2006, 08:46 AM     Post subject: Straight flush madness? #1 (permalink)  
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10th hand at table. No real read on villain other than the hand before where he called all in and showed down trip sixes to take the pot.

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$25 NL Texas Holdem - Wednesday, July 05, 02:21:55 ET 2006
Table Table 96509 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: JorDash666 ( $20.09 )
Seat 2: Juridian ( $47.78 )
Seat 3: tommmot ( $4.50 )
Seat 5: Rick7554 ( $21.86 )
Seat 6: durden1975 ( $16.05 )
Seat 7: forkedick ( $16.19 )
Seat 8: Paulyz23 ( $4.31 )
Seat 9: Neverworld ( $22.55 )
Seat 10: kfriz ( $23.60 )
Seat 4: Kiton01 ( $24.90 )
Rick7554 posts small blind [$0.10].
durden1975 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kiton01 [ Th Jh ]
forkedick calls [$0.25].
Paulyz23 folds.
kfriz folds.
JorDash666 calls [$0.25].
Neverworld has left the table.
Juridian calls [$0.25].
tommmot folds.
Kiton01 calls [$0.25].
Rick7554 calls [$0.15].
durden1975 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 4c, 9h ]
Rick7554 checks.
durden1975 checks.
forkedick checks.
JorDash666 bets [$1.45].
Juridian calls [$1.45].
Kiton01 calls [$1.45].
Rick7554 folds.
durden1975 is all-In [$15.80]
forkedick folds.
JorDash666 folds.
Juridian: smart move
Juridian folds.
durden1975: need the blinds
Kiton01???
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:54 AM #2 (permalink)  
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after a pot and a call, i raise. Your hand has great value on the flop in that you are 50/50 vrs everything and this allows you to get agressive without making any -ev raises or calls.

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Old 07-05-2006, 03:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Like he said above you are 50/50 v. everything so w/ the loose change in the pot you should always call.
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Old 07-05-2006, 03:29 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Like he said above you are 50/50 v. everything so w/ the loose change in the pot you should always call.
I say you should RAISE and sometimes call. Get the money in when you are ahead.
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yeah... i meant calling the all in but i pretty much always raise this hand on the flop
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Old 07-05-2006, 03:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 I'd probably make it about $6-$7 straight on the flop. I'd try playing this hand (on the flop at least) as similarly to 44 as possible for metagame reasons, and the fact that an OESFD is a huge hand on the flop. Also, if the turn bricks though, your hand loses a ton of value.

Anyway, as played, there's $21 in the pot when action is on you, and $13 to call. There are exactly 0 hands he can have which would make a fold correct, hence, easy call.
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Old 07-05-2006, 03:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I thought youd be behind but ran it through pokerstove and putting villain on a range of QQ+,99, 44,AQx you are 50/50, I think a more likely range would be something like 99,44,AQx because of the preflop action, so AXh draw could be possible as well. Given all this and the dead money in the middle its a call.
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:02 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I thought youd be behind but ran it through pokerstove and putting villain on a range of QQ+,99, 44,AQx you are 50/50, I think a more likely range would be something like 99,44,AQx because of the preflop action, so AXh draw could be possible as well. Given all this and the dead money in the middle its a call.
range isn't important here at all, it's an insta-call no matter what.
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:22 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I thought youd be behind but ran it through pokerstove and putting villain on a range of QQ+,99, 44,AQx you are 50/50, I think a more likely range would be something like 99,44,AQx because of the preflop action, so AXh draw could be possible as well. Given all this and the dead money in the middle its a call.
range isn't important here at all, it's an insta-call no matter what.
Which is what I realized after running those numbers. If you do put him on just a set though you are behind but the dead money probably makes up for that, so yea, no matter the range this is a call.
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:24 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I thought youd be behind but ran it through pokerstove and putting villain on a range of QQ+,99, 44,AQx you are 50/50, I think a more likely range would be something like 99,44,AQx because of the preflop action, so AXh draw could be possible as well. Given all this and the dead money in the middle its a call.
range isn't important here at all, it's an insta-call no matter what.
Which is what I realized after running those numbers. If you do put him on just a set though you are behind but the dead money probably makes up for that, so yea, no matter the range this is a call.
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Old 07-05-2006, 05:03 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:50 PM #12 (permalink)  
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but please, raise when it gets to you on the flop.

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Old 07-05-2006, 07:20 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I agree, raise the flop.

With a straight flush draw, you have 15 outs for your hand, which makes you a 2-1 FAVOURITE to make a straight or better by the river. It doesn't matter that your hand isn't the best now - you figure to have the best hand when it comes to the showdown. Take advantage of this and get as much money in the pot as possible.

Durden's all in looks like he's spiked a set/2pair and is looking to price out the draws. Your draw is waay too strong to get priced out here. Call his all in.
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:57 PM #14 (permalink)  
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I will raise/push this hand/draw anyday all day anytime everytime.
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Old 07-05-2006, 11:48 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 raise the flop call any push and if the push is less than your stack with others in then just push wats left of it in.

All your money goes in on this flop, at worst your 40% dog vs a set and if you get any other callers then you definatly have odds to call/push if you dont anyways with just one pusher.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:22 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Thanks for all the advice. Looking back I really should have raised the flop. I'm still a little gun shy playing draws and unfortunately I folded. My mind was saying call but my mouse hand refused to accept the command.

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Post some hands where you raise with draws by this time tomorrow or else imma have you banned for being a weak/tightie.

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 FWIW, I ran the numbers earlier, and worst case scenario I believe was if the other guy had 44 with a heart, and even that we had 42% equity against if I remember correctly. If I remember correctly, we had to win the hand 39% of the time to make it a 0 EV call. I'm lazy and don't feel like running the exact numbers again, but I think those were right.
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Post some hands where you raise with draws by this time tomorrow or else imma have you banned for being a weak/tightie.
my forum, and I like this guy. No ban.

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Post some hands where you raise with draws by this time tomorrow or else imma have you banned for being a weak/tightie.
my forum, and I like this guy. No ban.

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weak tighties sticking together eh?

whateva happened to the rein of fnord? :P
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Post some hands where you raise with draws by this time tomorrow or else imma have you banned for being a weak/tightie.
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weak tighties sticking together eh?

whateva happened to the rein of fnord? :P
lol @ me being weak-tight.

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