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d0zer
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05-19-2008, 11:12 PM
Post subject: Stats checkup
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I used to run like 15/8, then 16/11, and now closer to 18/14.
Any glaring holes? Do I need a bigger sample for postflop stats?
Been on a wee bit of a cooler lately since moving to ongame, at UB I played 18/14 at 8ptbb/100
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Keilah
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That's a super-insignificant sample.
8ptbb/100 is sick! Over how many hands? Tich mi plz.
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by Keilah
That's a super-insignificant sample.
8ptbb/100 is sick! Over how many hands? Tich mi plz.
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20k hands at UB. It was very fishy and/or I was running very hot. Also I wasn't spewing much...played a fairly disciplined postflop game. Lately I've been spewing more double/triple barrel bluffs at bad times.
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Spewing in some bad spots is part of growing as a player. Look back at those hands and figure out if there was information you missed or if you just ran into a cooler.
I would also look at your cold calls and button hands.
Finally, you might want to tighten up from EP a notch.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Spewing in some bad spots is part of growing as a player. Look back at those hands and figure out if there was information you missed or if you just ran into a cooler.
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Good idear.
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I would also look at your cold calls and button hands.
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Preflop I generally only cold call with pocket pairs. High cards vs spewtards sometimes.
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Finally, you might want to tighten up from EP a notch.
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I open raise 22+/AQ+ Sometimes AJ. Too much?
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Keilah
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I recently dropped AQo and 22-55 but I run around 14/11 or something. I still usually raise KQs and AJs.
Dozer, I really could stand to learn a thing or three about postflop aggression when I don't feel I'm ahead of like 80% of his range.
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d0zer
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wait a sec, you drop AQo, but raise KQs and AJs?
I drop KQs till UTG+1, and raise AQo from all positions.
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Fnord
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I open raise 22+/AQ+
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The way people play full ring online I would consider dropping 22-55. Re-visit at your EP results with them. The problem with those hands is they weaken the ability of your range to hit a flop and when they do hit and play a bit pot against non-retarded opponents you have set over set problems and even something like 2 pair sucking out against you. Rare events, but they hurt a lot. However, a hand like 88 has stronger unimproved showdown value and will win set-over-set when somoene tries to set mine you.
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I would also look at your cold calls and button hands.
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Preflop I generally only cold call with pocket pairs. High cards vs spewtards sometimes. |
Do you show a profit when you cold-call?
Finally, you might be stealing too often against players who defend light.
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I would also look at your cold calls and button hands.
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Preflop I generally only cold call with pocket pairs. High cards vs spewtards sometimes. |
Do you show a profit when you cold-call?
Finally, you might be stealing too often against players who defend light. |
You mean watch for looser taggs/laggs 3-betting from the blinds?
As for cold calling, I'm not sure if it's profitable yet -- it's something I've only recently introduced to my game. ...trying to loosen up a little from the ABC tagg robot I started with.
I still rarely do it, and never against anyone with less than 8% PFR, the shorter the better. Spewtard halfstacks welcome.
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wait a sec, you drop AQo, but raise KQs and AJs?
I drop KQs till UTG+1, and raise AQo from all positions.
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Yah I'm weird. I like sooted cards.
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You mean watch for looser taggs/laggs 3-betting from the blinds?
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Remember to adjust to your players.
Against people who don't defend enough, raise more often and just enough to get them to click the fold check box.
Against people who defend a lot (particularly with 3-bets) you need to tighten up because you will get action.
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Too small of a sample. Come back when you have 50k hands at least.
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I don't like how your CO and button stats are the same because a half decent button player is going to call/3bet you a lot pre from the button as you're so aggro.
Solid looking stats though!
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I don't like how your CO and button stats are the same because a half decent button player is going to call/3bet you a lot pre from the button as you're so aggro.
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I doubt many 100NL players (if any) defend their button.
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Well I do... so thats one.
But the point is their calling range is going to be wider since they have position. Also add in the fact that there are 3 players left to act rather than two means that a playable hand is going to come up more often and we're not always going to be in position when that hand comes up.
Fpr me those are enough reasons for my Button range to be wider than my CO range.
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Too small of a sample. Come back when you have 50k hands at least.
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I'm not even sure I should be playing a preflop style like this for 50k hands...
I think I'll start dropping 22-44 until MP...
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Too small of a sample. Come back when you have 50k hands at least.
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I'm not even sure I should be playing a preflop style like this for 50k hands...
I think I'll start dropping 22-44 until MP... |
Then don't play it for 5k hands.
Imo optimal play for 100nl FR on Stars is ~17/14 or so.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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