Starting a 10,000 hand session NOW! 10/10

Here are the hands, minus a few that were lost when my PT database was trippin out.

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Took me 12.4 hours @ $59.45/hr..... plus about $120 in "FPPs/rakeback"
ran at 3.7 ptbb/100 which was almost double my goal.

Thanxs to those who added to the thread.

Goodnight.

congrats man.

thats sweeeeet. i cannot for the life of me understand 12-tabling for 12.4 hours, all the while posting HHs here.

and i dont even think you were playing rockish for 12 tables. yeah, rocky as hell for 4 tables, but you had 12 going.

nh, sir.

Originally Posted by Chopper

and i dont even think you were playing rockish for 12 tables. yeah, rocky as hell for 4 tables, but you had 12 going.

15/7 to me is rockish. Try getting the pfr up to +10. For realz, limping A9s on the button after 2 limpers is weak sauce. Same for limping on the button with 97s after one limper. Tear it up. Good job though.

I dont mind limping into lots of pots, especially with weak competition. I feel like there are much bigger edges to exploit postflop against players like I was playing last night. Why raise and cbet when the guy is gonna call with bottom pair when I miss. I like to get in cheap, flop top pair, and then make big bets that are called by bottom pair (or worse).

That A9s hand is an excellent example of this. Why do I want to knock a player like this out preflop when I have a weak hand that has potential multi-way.

I agree with you in more aggressive, tougher games, but I dont think that is the best way to play against these guys. Appreciate the input though.

Read these, it's for 6-max but it applies to full ring as well and it will really help your game.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=1#Post7827947
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...Number=3661078

I agree with some of what you said in that some players may call you down no matter what but you should be able to identify these players and isolate the other ones. Also even when you decide to raise against these players you don't have to c-bet if you know they're calling. Wait for a flop and value bet the shit out of them.

re: your A9 hand. If he's bad enough to stack off like that he's not folding KQ to a raise preflop and you're benefiting from that.

from the first link and really words to live by...:
"When you are on the button and CO, consider yourself the gatekeeper. It is up to YOU to decide whether or not people get to enter a pot cheaply or not. And hell, why let them play out of position hands for cheap? Abuse the [censored] out of the button and CO. "

Originally Posted by gametight

I dont mind limping into lots of pots, especially with weak competition. I feel like there are much bigger edges to exploit postflop against players like I was playing last night. Why raise and cbet when the guy is gonna call with bottom pair when I miss. I like to get in cheap, flop top pair, and then make big bets that are called by bottom pair (or worse).

That A9s hand is an excellent example of this. Why do I want to knock a player like this out preflop when I have a weak hand that has potential multi-way.

I agree with you in more aggressive, tougher games, but I dont think that is the best way to play against these guys. Appreciate the input though.

I think we play the same style PF because we get advices from the same book.

I also get a lot of heat on another forum for running passive preflop, like 20/8. Your comments pretty much summarize why I do so. I love limping behind in position.

I also play extra loose on the button -- like 27 VPIP. To me, abusing the CO/button means playing crap, even if I have to call a mild raise. Or even open-limping. I do so because I have position.

Say I raise a limper w/ 97s in LP and steal the blinds. Not bad. But I don't get to enjoy the luxury of playing postflop in position with a good multiway hand.

Or you subject yourself to reversed implied odds when somebody calls PF, and then calls your c-bet after you totally miss?

Big money is to be made postflop. Against bad competition, implied odds are king, so why reduce it by making a PF raise?

My 2-cents.

I also play extra loose on the button -- like 27 VPIP

Mine is about the same but I raise a ton of hands to like 22+/46s+/45s+/T7s+/Kxs/Axs/any broadways. Tons of hands and it leads to tons of profit. It is also good for image which seemingly nobody takes into account.

Check out my position stats post:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-61349.htm

To me, abusing the CO/button means playing crap, even if I have to call a mild raise. Or even open-limping. I do so because I have position.

To me abusing position means punishing weak players for limping with weak holdings almost regardless of my holdings because you're going to win lots and lots of money when people limp/call and c/f and then you make hands nobody would ever suspect and pay you off, then they pay off your EP raises when you have AA because you play so aggro.

Ill try mixing in some more raises in position into my standard play. Ill keep experimenting.

Havent people figured out that they can reraise you all day from the blinds and pick up the pot uncontested almost every time??

Originally Posted by gametight

Havent people figured out that they can reraise you all day from the blinds and pick up the pot uncontested almost every time??

I do this to some button raisers from the blinds. But I've never had anybody do this while there are limpers to me. If people figured this out I think i'd have maybe 1/2 my wr.

ps: when I move up next month don't rr me. i'll have the chargers avatar

Originally Posted by gametight

Ill try mixing in some more raises in position into my standard play. Ill keep experimenting.

Havent people figured out that they can reraise you all day from the blinds and pick up the pot uncontested almost every time??

It's not that difficult to adjust to people who play this way...

i think i'll do this very shortly, congrats OP. I hope to make at least $500 when I try it out.

Say I raise a limper w/ 97s in LP and steal the blinds. Not bad. But I don't get to enjoy the luxury of playing postflop in position with a good multiway hand.

A-fucking-men. There is such an ingrained POSITIONAL AGGRESSION OR DEATH mentality on FTR that this point is almost entirely submerged.

Originally Posted by biondino

Say I raise a limper w/ 97s in LP and steal the blinds. Not bad. But I don't get to enjoy the luxury of playing postflop in position with a good multiway hand.

A-fucking-men. There is such an ingrained POSITIONAL AGGRESSION OR DEATH mentality on FTR that this point is almost entirely submerged.

qft