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Deanglow

12-11-2009, 06:42 PM Post subject: standard spot 400NL

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villain is a 14/10 TAG with 4% 3bet which is about my stats. No major history

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saw flop

MP2 ($405.70)
Hero (CO) ($400)
Button ($404)
SB ($246.10)
BB ($382)
UTG ($418.60)
MP1 ($466.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, 10

1 fold, MP1 bets $12, 1 fold, Hero calls $12, 3 folds

Flop: ($30) 10

, 4

, 3

(2 players)
MP1 bets $20, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($70) K

(2 players)
MP1 bets $48, Hero calls $48

River: ($166) 7

(2 players)
MP1 bets $128, Hero

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12-11-2009, 10:39 PM

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looks like a fold

am I missing something?

he can be value betting: TT,44,33,65s,KTs (KTo?), possibly AK/KQ, though that's a bit iffy I guess if he doesn't think you'll pay off with worse (note his strong river sizing).

what's his cbet frequency like? doesn't seem like he really has much air here - do you think he might double barrel like 99,88,77 etc because he's a tagfish(?) and the K came on the turn so he feels like he must rep it?

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12-11-2009, 10:49 PM

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holy, why isn't this a standard muck preflop vs an ultranit like him???

id fold every street except flop

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12-11-2009, 11:09 PM

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holy, why isn't this a standard muck preflop vs an ultranit like him???

id fold every street except flop

hmm yeah pre looks close...I think we could 3bet bluff this if the dynamic/our image/game flow calls for it. I can see an argument for calling if villain plays very exploitable postf lop, however calling is meh not only because we don't really dominate his range but there are still 3 people left to act, and we really would prefer not to be squeezed when we have AT.

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12-11-2009, 11:09 PM

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holy, why isn't this a standard muck preflop vs an ultranit like him???

id fold every street except flop

this sums up my thoughts as well.

Deanglow

12-12-2009, 11:36 PM

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It is 7 handed. And 14/10 is not a nit imo

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12-12-2009, 11:43 PM

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You don't now were you at in the hand played like this.
Why don't you raise flop?
Why do you call turn if you don't now you want to call a riverbet...

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12-13-2009, 12:35 AM

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If i call the turn im calling the river also.

the turn is an obvious barrel card but also gives him oppertunity to bet river for value. Your hand looks like exactly what it is on the turn so he can bet the river 100% knowing you are in a tough spot - he could have AQ here as much as 65s or KKK.

With no history id lean toward a turn fold - but against a villain i know this would either be simple call call or fold turn

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12-13-2009, 05:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

It is 7 handed. And 14/10 is not a nit imo

you just say that because you play 13/9

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12-13-2009, 05:00 PM

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lol owned

but really, how is 14/10 not mega nit? I understand its fullring and all but still... He's also opening UTG+1 and prolly not even adjusting for the fact its 7 handed because he's 24 tabling like all the other nits.

EVEN if he opens like 8%(usually less) there ure crushed unless he's really passive but most nits are usually v.aggressive cuz they usually have it.

Hand 0: 61.316% 58.58% 02.74% 349056500 16316124.00 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 38.684% 35.95% 02.74% 214193044 16316124.00 { ATs }

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12-13-2009, 07:46 PM

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lol owned

but really, how is 14/10 not mega nit

what? No way 14/10 is mega nit in FR games !!! Everybody fucking steals light these days even in 100NL FR.I call with ATs ip vs this TAG all day twice on Sunday. Now I'd flat on the flop and fold on the turn unless his DB frequency is too high :P

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12-19-2009, 03:02 PM

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I think it is a tough spot.. I would have folded pre. but can u call turn and fold river?

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12-20-2009, 03:13 AM

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calling pre is fine, but the value of your hand with one pair against his range for 3barreling is just lol. Don't level yourself into thinking "ZOMG it's a K he'll barrel it FO SHO!!!!!!!!!!"

Look at his range, then pretend he 3barrels 100% of that range 100% of the time (lol)
Then look at your equity and realize that even then it's only a narrow call.

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12-20-2009, 04:19 PM

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results: I shoved and he folded. Calling is by far the worst option

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12-20-2009, 05:07 PM

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results: I shoved and he folded. Calling is by far the worst option

cool. He probably folded AK :P I'm still learning how to turn made hand into thin bluff by river against the right opponents.

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12-20-2009, 08:20 PM

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I would probably fold here.

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