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Old 06-18-2006, 12:30 PM     Post subject: Standard play or just gross? #1 (permalink)  
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K, HH convertor is no-go for Full Tilt, so shield your eyes.

Villain is 81/10 over like 30 hands. Not a great sample but my read is that he simply can't lay down a draw or pair or...anything? I just got onto another table where he's at and he's up like 4-buyins. So I'm not 100% sure he's a complete donk.
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FullTiltPoker Game #722803631: Table Alta (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:46:11 ET - 2006/06/18
Seat 1: dgander ($400)
Seat 2: Ravageur ($574.30)
Seat 3: bshuman ($267.30)
Seat 4: LAMEKING ($440.50)
Seat 5: john1018 ($194.10)
Seat 6: SHARPTOOLS ($430.40)
LAMEKING posts the small blind of $2
john1018 posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ravageur [Ts 9s]
SHARPTOOLS folds
Ravageur raises to $14
bshuman calls $14
LAMEKING folds
john1018 folds
*** FLOP *** [4c 9c 2d]
Ravageur bets $23
bshuman calls $23
*** TURN *** [4c 9c 2d] [Qs]
Ravageur checks
bshuman bets $80
Ravageur raises to $200
bshuman calls $120
*** RIVER *** [4c 9c 2d Qs] [Kh]
Ravageur bets $31
bshuman calls $30.30, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $0.70 returned to Ravageur
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Old 06-18-2006, 07:06 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I vote "gross"--certainly not standard, anyway. You're check raising a PSB on the turn with 2nd pair no kicker and 5 outs to improve on the river. It seems like you have a pretty good read on the guy, but still...

Also, should this go in the short-handed forum?
 
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Old 06-18-2006, 07:32 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Here's why I vote for 'not gross'. Based on his stats and my read, I know he'll call my flop bet with either of the two draws on board (straight draw with his SCs and FD), and not raise. Also, I know if I check it to him and he's still on his draw he'll often take a stab at taking the pot down. If he has q10, j10, a10, etc... I really don't think he'll pot it. And if he has an overpair he would've reraised me PF with my image (I hope at least ). So I'm very confident I'm leading by a large margin at this point.

And yes, I guess this should be on short handed board. But I don't think anyone will lose sleep over it. My bad.
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I still don't like it. Loose players catch hands, too. Why can't he have a set, two pair, etc. here? I don't think 30 hands is really enough to make this kind of incredibly read-based play. I'd want to be fairly familiar with the guy.

Also, wasn't trying to be an asshole about the forum thing--I didn't realize there was a shorthanded forum here for a while was why I said that.
 
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Old 06-18-2006, 08:00 PM #6 (permalink)  
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You might be dead on. Which is why I posted it for criticism. It was definitely a combo or read/instinct. Sort of when you just get the feeling of 'I have the best hand right now' that you sometimes get in live games but rarely online. But do you really think he'd throw out such a huge bet with top set or a very strong hand? Sure there are draws out there to protect from, but rarely to mediocre/bad players punish you enough with their big hands. They're always thinking 'Oh let's suck them in I had 3 of a kind WOOT!'.

Oh and sorry if I came off like a putz about the short handed forum. Had just posted a full ring hand on another forum and forgot this was the wrong place for it. I sometimes think noone checks that forum.... But maybe because tools like me keep posting hands here.
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But do you really think he'd throw out such a huge bet with top set or a very strong hand? Sure there are draws out there to protect from, but rarely to mediocre/bad players punish you enough with their big hands. They're always thinking 'Oh let's suck them in I had 3 of a kind WOOT!'.
Whenever I make plays based on this kind of logic, i.e. "he couldn't possibly have a set here, making a PSB like that," the guy always has a fucking set. So maybe it's just me...
 
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