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Old 07-26-2009, 11:03 PM     Post subject: Spewing or pwning? #1 (permalink)  
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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why is he donking this flop
maybe because he has TT or something? if so, then raising is spew because he's just going to jam it in

if it's because he has AQ and doesn't feel he can call a bet but has some fold equity, then raising is good

but I think #1 is is going to be more often the case
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:32 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:32 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:35 AM #5 (permalink)  
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if he has 98s I don't think you can get him off even that
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:35 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 this is ridiculously bad and should be done just about never. You have no equity and are representing nothing. Nice it worked for you this time though.
 
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:03 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:35 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I dont expect fullring ring nits to understand the rationale by this move.
rofl

if you donk into someone in a 3bet pot you expect to get played back at. BVB you get much less credit for a hand, correctly so.. Either villain is playing weird and thinks you are a massive nit or he is trying to induce some sort of spaz. Preflop seems kinda unnecessary as well with a hand that plays well against his range. Your reads seem extremely jumbled, are you considered a nitty player or someone who will "utilise their growing fold equity" (wtf?)

Also, regarding the metagame implications, are you calling a shove here?
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:57 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:12 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Sorry I misread OP.

I still hate this..

- If his range is still that wide on this flop why are you 3betting him with QTo? How often does he fold to 3bets? How often is he stealing? (you may not use stats but some indication of what his range is would be nice..)
- I don't see why you expect him to give you so little respect preflop and then suddenly narrow your range to sets/overpairs on the flop. Are you really 3betting 22/55/99 in position vs a lag (only way I could see this being good is if he loves to 4bet/fold with the exception of 99.)
- Are you even raising with value hands here when he donks into you? Does he expect you to fold the vast majority of your "much wider" range to his donk bet?

This thread sucks because you clearly want your ego stroked after winning this pot. Given the fairly unhelpful reads you have provided this looks like a spew. It could be a good play given some relevant history but you haven't provided that so everyone is going to say it's spew. Honestly do you expect him to fold 98s here as iopq said?
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:31 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I am sorry anyone ever read any of my posts. Apparantly my never-ending hot streak is due to variance and I am bound to lose it all any moment.
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Old 07-27-2009, 02:58 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I dont expect fullring ring nits to understand the rationale by this move.
You bluff-raised a flop donkout bet, nothing any of us haven't seen before. Let's not act like you just discovered the cure for cancer.
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Old 07-27-2009, 03:40 PM #13 (permalink)  
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I dont expect fullring ring nits to understand the rationale by this move.
You bluff-raised a flop donkout bet, nothing any of us haven't seen before. Let's not act like you just discovered the cure for cancer.
Guess you are no fullring nit then!
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:00 PM #14 (permalink)  
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You are completely disregarding villains range, my perceived range and villains/heros image.

Besides, this was posted in the short hand forum. Villain is HU/shorthanded player like me- but suddenly table was full. I dont expect fullring ring nits to understand the rationale by this move.

Also, no one was mentioniong future metagame implications of geting called with QToff here?
He donkbets in a 3bet pot and you raise because you think he will fold his mid pair or whatever. See, that wasn't so hard.

And don't worry about metagame; just play well and bluff sometimes (with equity imo) and you'll get all the disrespect you could ask for.
 
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Old 07-27-2009, 04:35 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Disagree. Meta game is hugely important at my site since player base is so small.

When I play 50 hours with villain, I cant play "hand by hand" poker. Every play is connected to past, present and future.

Here I wanted to reduce future FE vs this player (My general FE was too high), and take advantage of my past history with villain as solid TAG.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:18 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Disagree. Meta game is hugely important at my site since player base is so small.

When I play 50 hours with villain, I cant play "hand by hand" poker. Every play is connected to past, present and future.

Here I wanted to reduce future FE vs this player (My general FE was too high), and take advantage of my past history with villain as solid TAG.
How long do you estimate the $100 it's gonna cost to be caught with your knickers down in a 3bet pot will take to come back to you considering what it'll do to your metagame?
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:30 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Old 07-27-2009, 08:03 PM #18 (permalink)  
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 spewing and it's not even close

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Old 07-28-2009, 12:26 AM #19 (permalink)  
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Old 07-28-2009, 05:09 AM #20 (permalink)  
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:38 AM #21 (permalink)  
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:30 PM #22 (permalink)  
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Hehe.

Guess I havent really paid attention to my own hands lately, only my perceiced range. THat is why this hand look so spewy. If I can become a breakeven player at 100 NL without looking at cards I am ready for tougher opponents.

I think too many players play only to win money and forget to experiment and practice with things they are not good at. F.ex Nits need to practice lagging it up and LAGGs need to practice their patience.

Total pwnage is the result of a strong intent to become the best player there ever was. Hope we all share that burning desire and help eachorther up the stakes.
I play poker for two reasons: to have fun and win money. And it's only fun because I win money.

The need to "lag it up" or experiment is not your blank check to be retarded. I bet, fold, call, raise, bluff, semi-bluff, thin value bet, 3bet bluff, 4bet bluff, overbet bluff/value bet. It all depends on the situation. It just so happens that my reads on the players/table/texas hold-em in 2009 is that an optimal style for being a big winner is 14/10/3. So thats what I do, and it works.

Some of the best players are 20/16 and some are 10/7. Every hand, they act based on what they feel is correct by looking at table conditions, timing, bet sizing, etc. But one thing they have is common is that they play very, very well.

And they didn't berate people for trying to tell them why they suck when they were moving up through the limits either.
 
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It just so happens that my reads on the players/table/texas hold-em in 2009 is that an optimal style for being a big winner is 14/10/3. So thats what I do, and it works.
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Old 07-30-2009, 01:25 PM #25 (permalink)  
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How about check raising the turn here? That is what I often do here.
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bet the flop, fold the turn


Seems like the worst line on this board with a tight image.
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 Once you check the flop, you cannot represent a strong hand on later streets. On the turn you call representing a queen or pair you wanted to pot control on the flop. On the river you rep nothing
 
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I think you read the hand wrong. I did not call once in this hand..
Please don't ever post another hand history the way you did. You the converter. It took me a few minutes to figure out wtf was going on as well.

Also, I'm rating this thread 1 spade because you suck at receiving constructive criticism. Try to absorb information instead of defending yourself from it. We're trying to help here.


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 Yeah that hand history is a bit hard to read but my point still stands. Sometimes it is ok to give up when you can't really rep anything
 
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Bankitdrew- trust me when I say I soak in everything everybody is contributing with on this site.

Even when I disagree, I dont disregard. I contemplate even more on posts I disagree with. Sometimes the disagreements is not of essential nature, but a result of different metagames.

Also ,its hard to be critical about own poker game when you experience sick winrates in all games since first deposit. My first serious downswing (7BI) was quickly followed by a 17 BI pwnalot streak.

I went from a 20 USD roll to consistently winning at 100 NL 6 max in less hands than many of you play per month.

I respect you guys very much, and hopefully one day you will respect my game too.

Since my threads suck so much I would like the mod to either ban me or delete my threads.
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 Fair enough, so long as you soak it in and do not deflect it.


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Mod- I seriously did not know that I sucked. Please ban me or delete thread, because I want no part of leading people astray.
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