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Old 08-03-2006, 02:51 PM     Post subject: Sometimes I love being checkraised... (lc) #1 (permalink)  
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MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($27.15)
MP3 ($11.35)
Hero ($44.35)
Button ($26.55)
SB ($11.55)
BB ($28.65)
UTG ($26.70)
UTG+1 ($23.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) K, 8, 5 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $1, MP3 folds, Hero calls $1, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($3.25) 6 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $2, MP1 calls $2.

River: ($7.25) 6 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $5, MP1 raises to $10, Hero raises to $23.75, MP1 calls $11.75 (All-In).

Final Pot: $52.75

Results in white below:
MP1 has Js Ks (two pair, kings and sixes).
Hero has 8s 8h (full house, eights full of sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $52.75.
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Old 08-03-2006, 03:50 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Im new to stars, considering moving there to play more often (number of hands vs quality of opp etc) Still trying to get the hang of the playing style on the site
Anyways I love how they always bet for value which gives me the chance to run differnet lines against semi-trying-to-be-good-players

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MP1 ($20)
MP2 ($55.70)
CO ($86.75)
Button ($50)
SB ($79.60)
BB ($47.25)
Hero ($62.40)
UTG+1 ($19.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6, 6.
Hero calls $0.50, 4 folds, Button raises to $2.5, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($5.75) 4, 6, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero raises to $12, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($29.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($29.75) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $35.5 (All-In), Hero calls $35.50.

Final Pot: $100.75
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Old 08-03-2006, 03:54 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 What made you confident he'd bet the river? I'd tend to lead here.



 
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Old 08-03-2006, 03:57 PM     Post subject: Re: Sometimes I love being checkraised... (lc) #4 (permalink)  
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($27.15)
MP3 ($11.35)
Hero ($44.35)
Button ($26.55)
SB ($11.55)
BB ($28.65)
UTG ($26.70)
UTG+1 ($23.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8, 8.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) K, 8, 5 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $1, MP3 folds, Hero calls $1, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($3.25) 6 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $2, MP1 calls $2.

River: ($7.25) 6 (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $5, MP1 raises to $10, Hero raises to $23.75, MP1 calls $11.75 (All-In).

Final Pot: $52.75

Results in white below:
MP1 has Js Ks (two pair, kings and sixes).
Hero has 8s 8h (full house, eights full of sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $52.75.
Villains river checkraise is attrocious. You should raise the flop here to build up a pot and then milk it on later streets.
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Old 08-03-2006, 04:45 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Both hands are too tricky and absent reads cost you money in the long run.

LeFou: Make it $3 flat on the flop, built up a pot and you can get it all-in by the river.

Miffed: Draw heavy board, checking this turn is terrible. At least give him something to call while he's drawing dead in case he doesn't get there.
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Old 08-03-2006, 04:49 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Both hands are too tricky and absent reads cost you money in the long run.

LeFou: Make it $3 flat on the flop, built up a pot and you can get it all-in by the river.

Miffed: Draw heavy board, checking this turn is terrible. At least give him something to call while he's drawing dead in case he doesn't get there.
if i gave you his preflop stats you'd know why i checked teh turn to him and c/r the flop on a draw heavy board.
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Old 08-03-2006, 04:59 PM #7 (permalink)  
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LeFou: Make it $3 flat on the flop, built up a pot and you can get it all-in by the river.
I read him for exactly the sort of hand he's got, and would expect him to just bet-fold, maybe check-fold the turn if I raise the flop. Or is that just projection on my part?
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:13 PM #8 (permalink)  
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if i gave you his preflop stats you'd know why i checked teh turn to him and c/r the flop on a draw heavy board.
What were they? Anything else you picked up that make you confident he'd get it all in for your?
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:32 PM #9 (permalink)  
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LeFou: Make it $3 flat on the flop, built up a pot and you can get it all-in by the river.
I read him for exactly the sort of hand he's got, and would expect him to just bet-fold, maybe check-fold the turn if I raise the flop. Or is that just projection on my part?
Dude he has top pair!

It's fucking-twenty-fucking-five-fucking-dollar buy-in. Stop fucking flushing fucking money fucking down fucking the fucking toilet. Build a pot, make a hand, play it fast. If it's a drawing or action board play it even faster. Watch them call off stacks like Lemmings running to the edge of a cliff. Profit, cash some of it out and move up.

If getting action is a problem, then give a little extra action on the cheap streets and stop letting them play cheap on big streets when you can beat top pair.
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:36 PM #10 (permalink)  
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What were they? Anything else you picked up that make you confident he'd get it all in for your?
12/1 He was so tight it was funny to watch. Id already caught him after he check/called checked when i raised 87s and flopped a flush draw. Ofc giving me the option of a free card was deadly as he stacked off on the flush river with a set.
Stars players are horrible for this at 50nl+ 100nl, with a set they arent foldign any river which is allowing me to crush this game right now.
Dont think itll be long before i sit at 200nl and see much improvement there is.
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:42 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Build a fucking pot, make a fucking hand, fucking play it fast.
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:46 PM #12 (permalink)  
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If getting action is a problem, then give a little extra action on the cheap streets and stop letting them play cheap on big streets when you can beat top pair.
I agree with this, its one of the features i like to use.
However id also add, check more (not necessarily in this situation) dont just bet bet bet every street when you are a preflop raisor or have a set.
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Old 08-03-2006, 07:04 PM #13 (permalink)  
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hm... I don't think I'll say anything; it sounds like I made Fnord mad somehow.
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hm... I don't think I'll say anything; it sounds like I made Fnord mad somehow.
he said stop slow playing and call with ace high now and then
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Old 08-03-2006, 10:59 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Woah Fnord got angry and I liiiiiiiike it when he talks dirty.
psst, are you wearing panties?
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What made you confident he'd bet the river? I'd tend to lead here.
everyone leads the river with a big hand. It suprises me how many times I bet flop, bet turn and check/call really wierd bluffs on the river. Though this is bodog, and leading the river gets just as many wierd calls.

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Old 08-03-2006, 11:26 PM #18 (permalink)  
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What were they? Anything else you picked up that make you confident he'd get it all in for your?
12/1 He was so tight it was funny to watch. Id already caught him after he check/called checked when i raised 87s and flopped a flush draw. Ofc giving me the option of a free card was deadly as he stacked off on the flush river with a set.
Stars players are horrible for this at 50nl+ 100nl, with a set they arent foldign any river which is allowing me to crush this game right now.
Dont think itll be long before i sit at 200nl and see much improvement there is.
Geez, he did that with an overpair?
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