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outphase

07-27-2005, 12:24 AM Post subject: Sometimes all-in KK preflop hurts

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I figured I was gonna get all of my money in the center preflop to avoid anything nasty... just not this nasty. Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($41.55)
Button ($101.50)
SB ($127.50)
BB ($75.15)
Hero ($84.95)
UTG+1 ($101.47)
MP1 ($101.40)
MP2 ($100)
MP3 ($99)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $20, 5 folds, MP2 calls $64.95.

Flop: ($91.45) 7

, A

(2 players) [I stand up here at my comp and yell FUCK]

Turn: ($91.45) 4

(2 players)

River: ($91.45) 2

(2 players)

Final Pot: $91.45

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Kd (two pair, aces and kings).
MP2 has Ad Ah (four of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins $91.45.

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lowBoy

07-27-2005, 01:05 AM

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The play is good. Result sucks.

spino1i

07-27-2005, 01:56 AM

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You can only think about laying down KK pre-flop at 400 NL or higher. At 100 NL too many clowns go all-in with too much stuff, you have to call everytime.

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Lukie

07-27-2005, 03:40 AM

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KK vs AA is just a nightmare situation preflop. If it makes you feel any better I'm sure your opponent laughed harder then he's ever laughed before when he quaded aces on the flop.

You played it right, the situations where it's correct to fold KK preflop are so few and far between that you just can't worry about a situation like this. You have to pay off AA here.

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lowBoy

07-27-2005, 06:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

You can only think about laying down KK pre-flop at 400 NL or higher. At 100 NL too many clowns go all-in with too much stuff, you have to call everytime.

What situations do you find that you lay down KK? Have you successfully done it? I guess you never really know if you've been successful unless someone has already gone all in in addition to you and the another player raising.

The only situation I can imagine is getting re-raised twice, but NL100 is as high as I play.

SinkRox

07-27-2005, 10:11 AM

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there was a thread recently regarding this explaining that infact, the more ppl allin pre-flop the better when you have KK.

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07-27-2005, 07:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spino1i

You can only think about laying down KK pre-flop at 400 NL or higher.

How deep the money is is more important IMHO...

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boyobach

07-27-2005, 07:56 PM

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Check out this KK hand.

This is my 3rd hand at $100 NL having gained the confidence, belief and bankroll to move up from $50. This hurt.
***** Hand History for Game 2432969712 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 26, 13:42:07 EDT 2005
Table Table 36534 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: MrKWM ( $121.40 )
Seat 2: beemmeup ( $108.85 )
Seat 3: RagedLuda ( $157 )
Seat 4: star55555 ( $110.80 )
Seat 5: Mr_Hawkes ( $128.73 )
Seat 6: Vtrain999 ( $88 )
Seat 8: hooper_jake ( $87 )
Seat 9: EJMCEO ( $57.55 )
Seat 10: UR_A_Douche ( $56.57 )
Seat 7: taffy_jones ( $98 )
beemmeup posts small blind [$0.50].
RagedLuda posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to taffy_jones [ Ks Kd ]
star55555 raises [$2].
Mr_Hawkes raises [$6].
Vtrain999 folds.
taffy_jones calls [$6].
hooper_jake folds.
EJMCEO folds.
UR_A_Douche folds.
MrKWM folds.
beemmeup raises [$14.50].
RagedLuda folds.
star55555 calls [$13].
Mr_Hawkes is all-In.
taffy_jones is all-In.
>You have options at Table 37570 Table!.
taffy_jones: big hand
beemmeup: wowzers
beemmeup is all-In.
beemmeup: ok
star55555 is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 6d, 8c ]
taffy_jones: this is my first time at $100 NL

beemmeup: ill play
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
beemmeup shows [ Jh, Jc ] two pairs, jacks and eights.
star55555 shows [ Js, Jd ] two pairs, jacks and eights.
Mr_Hawkes shows [ Ac, Ah ] two pairs, aces and eights.
taffy_jones shows [ Ks, Kd ] two pairs, kings and eights.
Mr_Hawkes wins $17.93 from side pot #3 with two pairs, aces and eights.
Mr_Hawkes wins $3.90 from side pot #2 with two pairs, aces and eights.
Mr_Hawkes wins $32.55 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and eights.
Mr_Hawkes wins $390 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and eights.

What were the JJ guys thinking??

pocket Jacks eh?

CANT WIN WITH 'EM
CANT WIN AGAINST 'EM
CANT FOLD 'EM

lowBoy

07-27-2005, 10:13 PM

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Ouch, yeah. That's a crazy amount of pocket pairs out there.

You made the right play though.

Galapogos

07-28-2005, 06:53 PM

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Why did you only call the $6 bet with KK though? at 100NL that leaves a whole lot of unanswered questions about what your opponents are carrying. Everyone ended up all in anyway, but still...

Zangief

07-28-2005, 07:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Why did you only call the $6 bet with KK though? at 100NL that leaves a whole lot of unanswered questions about what your opponents are carrying. Everyone ended up all in anyway, but still...

I agree. With so many people left to act, you've got to reraise there. If you closed the betting, it would be less dangerous to try to trap.

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