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01-05-2006, 11:19 PM Post subject: Some hands from 10NL ring and how I played them

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I know I probably fucked up most these hands in every way possible so please dont rip on me to bad.

Posted some of my thoughts in () I will post the results later, thanks for any input. This is pretty much my first session of serious long term minded playing.

** Game ID 636869609 starting - 2006-01-05 18:22:02
** Epiphany [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- joonsuk sitting in seat 1 with $17.60
- Ezekiel25-17 sitting in seat 2 with $8.90 [Sitting out]
- Larrow99 sitting in seat 3 with $4.87 [Dealer]
- sarasham sitting in seat 4 with $3.71
- karmakat sitting in seat 5 with $2.67
- benkahuna sitting in seat 6 with $9.95
- ProZachACE sitting in seat 7 with $15.95
- massiah sitting in seat 8 with $3.02
- brownstar sitting in seat 9 with $12.25
- lindahl sitting in seat 10 with $8.80
sarasham posted the small blind - $0.05
karmakat posted the big blind - $0.10
** Dealing card to ProZachACE: Queen of Spades, Queen of Hearts
benkahuna folded
ProZachACE raised - $0.40(standard)
massiah called - $0.40
brownstar called - $0.40
lindahl folded
joonsuk folded
Larrow99 folded
sarasham called - $0.40
karmakat folded
** Dealing the flop: 9 of Hearts, Jack of Spades, 9 of Diamonds
sarasham checked
ProZachACE bet - $1.10(cont bet I still have hte best hand)
massiah raised - $2.20(hmmm JJ I dont think so)
brownstar folded
sarasham folded
ProZachACE raised - $3.30(you dont have it fold here)
massiah went all-in - $0.42

** Game ID 636867576 starting - 2006-01-05 18:20:03
** Fantastic Four [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- smuPoker sitting in seat 1 with $2.72
- Tyfun44 sitting in seat 2 with $8.90
- Robomon sitting in seat 3 with $17.88
- Team_Slow sitting in seat 4 with $0.60
- EatYourMoney sitting in seat 6 with $8.20 [Dealer]
- ProZachACE sitting in seat 7 with $10.05
- sacredangel sitting in seat 8 with $9.80
- mozy_b sitting in seat 9 with $23.25
- McKeork sitting in seat 10 with $16.10
ProZachACE posted the small blind - $0.05
sacredangel posted the big blind - $0.10
Tyfun44 posted to play - $0.10
** Dealing card to ProZachACE: 2 of Diamonds, 2 of Spades
mozy_b folded
McKeork folded
smuPoker folded
Tyfun44 checked
Robomon folded
Team_Slow folded
EatYourMoney called - $0.10
ProZachACE called - $0.10
sacredangel checked
** Dealing the flop: 2 of Hearts, 6 of Spades, 6 of Diamonds
ProZachACE checked(somone make a move)
sacredangel checked
Tyfun44 checked
EatYourMoney checked
** Dealing the turn: 3 of Hearts
ProZachACE checked(anyone wana make a bet here?)
sacredangel checked
Tyfun44 checked
EatYourMoney checked
** Dealing the river: 10 of Hearts
ProZachACE bet - $0.80(god I hope somone hit a nice flush and reraises)
sacredangel folded
Tyfun44 folded
EatYourMoney called - $0.80

** Game ID 636860257 starting - 2006-01-05 18:14:05
** Epiphany [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- joonsuk sitting in seat 1 with $17.90
- Ezekiel25-17 sitting in seat 2 with $9.05
- merendas sitting in seat 3 with $7.50
- sarasham sitting in seat 4 with $3.76
- karmakat sitting in seat 5 with $1.92
- benkahuna sitting in seat 6 with $4.85 [Dealer]
- ProZachACE sitting in seat 7 with $15.95
- massiah sitting in seat 8 with $9.02
- brownstar sitting in seat 9 with $11.50
- lindahl sitting in seat 10 with $9.75
ProZachACE posted the small blind - $0.05
massiah posted the big blind - $0.10
joonsuk posted to play - $0.10
** Dealing card to ProZachACE: Jack of Spades, Ace of Spades
brownstar folded
lindahl folded
joonsuk checked
Ezekiel25-17 folded
merendas folded
sarasham folded
karmakat folded
benkahuna raised - $0.50
ProZachACE called - $0.50(Ill call it and see a flop)
massiah folded
joonsuk folded
** Dealing the flop: 6 of Diamonds, Ace of Clubs, King of Clubs
ProZachACE bet - $0.80(Not really sure hwy I made this bet)
benkahuna went all-in - $4.35
ProZachACE called - $4.35(shoulda folded here I think)

** Game ID 636853916 starting - 2006-01-05 18:09:55
** Epiphany [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- skorpion73 sitting in seat 1 with $4.90
- Ezekiel25-17 sitting in seat 2 with $9.05 [Dealer]
- merendas sitting in seat 3 with $7.60
- sarasham sitting in seat 4 with $1.83
- karmakat sitting in seat 5 with $2.37
- benkahuna sitting in seat 6 with $6.25
- ProZachACE sitting in seat 7 with $9.90
- brownstar sitting in seat 9 with $11.60
- lindahl sitting in seat 10 with $10.25
merendas posted the small blind - $0.05
sarasham posted the big blind - $0.10
skorpion73 posted to play - $0.10
** Dealing card to ProZachACE: Ace of Spades, Ace of Hearts
karmakat raised - $0.20
benkahuna called - $0.20
ProZachACE raised - $0.30(needed to raise more here)
brownstar folded
lindahl folded
skorpion73 folded
Ezekiel25-17 folded
merendas folded
sarasham folded
karmakat called - $0.30
benkahuna called - $0.30
** Dealing the flop: 3 of Diamonds, 7 of Hearts, 4 of Spades
karmakat checked
benkahuna checked
ProZachACE bet - $1.00(shitty flop I have best hand)
karmakat folded
benkahuna went all-in - $5.95(hit a set?)
ProZachACE called - $5.95(Ill pay if off if you did)

** Game ID 636846627 starting - 2006-01-05 18:03:38
** Epiphany [Hold 'em] (0.05|0.10 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money
- ThermoGem sitting in seat 1 with $15.50
- Ezekiel25-17 sitting in seat 2 with $9.20
- merendas sitting in seat 3 with $7.95
- sarasham sitting in seat 4 with $2.03
- karmakat sitting in seat 5 with $3.22 [Dealer]
- benkahuna sitting in seat 6 with $6.25
- ProZachACE sitting in seat 7 with $10.40
- Digii sitting in seat 8 with $10.00
- brownstar sitting in seat 9 with $9.00
- lindahl sitting in seat 10 with $10.40
benkahuna posted the small blind - $0.05
ProZachACE posted the big blind - $0.10
** Dealing card to ProZachACE: Ace of Diamonds, Ace of Clubs
Digii folded
brownstar folded
lindahl folded
ThermoGem raised - $0.20
Ezekiel25-17 folded
merendas folded
sarasham folded
karmakat folded
benkahuna folded
ProZachACE raised - $0.30(shoulda raised more)
ThermoGem raised - $0.40
ProZachACE raised - $1.30(raised properly)
ThermoGem called - $1.30
** Dealing the flop: 8 of Diamonds, 2 of Clubs, 6 of Spades
ProZachACE bet - $1.10(I dont like this bet)
ThermoGem raised - $2.20
ProZachACE raised - $8.80(Looks like hes trying to buy the pot here I have a better hand)
ThermoGem went all-in - $12.00
ProZachACE went all-in - $0.40

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrhappy333

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Lukie

01-06-2006, 05:37 AM

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hand 1 (Qs Qh): Stacks are too short to really care what he has. You probably have the best of it here.

hand 2 (2d 2s): Stop watching the WSOP. Lead the flop. Lead the turn. Don't expect a flush to ever raise/reraise the river on a paired board, especially after an overbet of the pot. Think about it.. where is the value in it (what worse hands can call?) Of course this is very general and may not always apply, but it's a good line of thinking here. I think.

Hand 3 (As Js): fold preflop. The raise is ~10% of his effective stack size which gives you very shitty implied odds on a flush, and ace-jack really isn't good enough here, especially for a weak player. I also don't like your flop play. Part of that stems from putting yourself in a very marginal situation preflop though...

Hand 4 (As Ah): Min-raising a min-raise preflop. At first I thought it was a misclick, until I realized that you did it again later in another hand. Then I checked to see if maybe you mixed some limit hands in. Nope, still no limit. Hrrm. I recommend Sklansky's theory of poker and Harrington's Harrington on Hold 'em vol. 1. Generally when I give advice, I give advice on every street completely independant of another. It's hard to give advice on this hand with such horrid play preflop though...

Hand 5 (Ad Ac): Hehehe. This is cute. He min raises, you min re-raise, he min rereraises you. I bet even the NL10 players were laughing at you clowns. See #4...

You are obviously pretty bad, so your only objective really should be to just get better. First, get a couple books. Amazon.com. Pot-Limit & No-Limit Poker by Reuben and Ciaffone. Harrington on Hold 'em Vol. 1 by Harrington. Those should be a good start. Read those. Play a lot of low stakes games. Watch successful players, notice their betting patterns, how many hands they are playing, how they are using position, what they are showing down, etc. Come to FTR and read all the hand histories and critiques of hand histories that you can find. Don't take everything for true-- some people routinely give very poor advice. Take the genuinely good advice and understand that the people giving poor advice may be how your opponent is thinking.

edudlive

01-06-2006, 10:03 AM

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QQ - He's not folding there, but his Jx is paying you off...so nice re-reraise (no point in raising more since the minimum raise puts him all in)

22 - check flop might be ok in hopes of a check raise if there are any aggro players at the table but you have to lead the turn

AJs - Don't call with AJs when you're going to be OOP the whole hand (or really call with it at all, you want to be the aggressor with AJs/o not the caller...this will get you in deep trouble later)

AA - keep your PFR standard, 4x, I that check-push

AA - I like the PF reraise, the flop action seems to hint at two overpairs rather than a set (since he re-raised PF), did he have TT+?

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ProZachNation

01-06-2006, 08:41 PM

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I think the reason for my min raises was playing on new software and 4 tabling which was dumb. I went from Party to Battlefield Poker(prima) and was a lil bit ocnused by thier software which isnt really multitabling friends IMO

Hand 2, I think checking the flop is the right play here with 3 acting behind me I know not betting the turn was bad but I figured no one with overs is going to call in the future I will bet the turn. On the river was just desperation hoping somone hit the flush after I fucked up the hand so bad

Hand3 his standard preflop raise was .5 so why is it a bad call here with AJ I woulda raised to .4 or should I not be raising PF with AJ?

Hand4 it was a semi misclick trying to do something at every table. But am I in the right to call a psuh here, I think I am

Hand 5 misclicked the min raise(need to learn how to raise better on the prima software lol) Ignoring the PF fuck ups what do I do there?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrhappy333

I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.

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01-06-2006, 10:26 PM

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If you are just starting to get serious why are you multi-tabling? Maybe you will adapt faster than me but I get distracted and make significant mistakes when multi-tabling, and you obviously did here as well.

AJ is not a calling hand out of position, neither is AQ really. The problem is that you are too easily dominated and are either going to hit top pair without the kicker or there will be an overpair and either way you'll put more money into the pot and lose. Yes sometimes you will pair and win but you probably won't win much unless you hit the miracle straight or the flush. A big part of the reason AK is such a good hand is because even if it only hits top pair it may make a lot of money off the sucker playing the second-best kicker. AJ doesn't have this advantage, who are you hoping to be up against?

What kind of flop are you hoping for with AJs? Its not really that different from the flop you'd hope for with A7s. Even if you make top pair you dont know if its good, they may have made a standard raise with QQ just like you did.

With position you could raise with the hand, I would at least.

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01-07-2006, 03:31 PM

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I don't like the size of your preflop raise... 4x should be normal, but in these stakes if you do 8-10x you wqill still get callers with crappy hands, and there won't be so many callers.

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01-08-2006, 12:24 AM

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I feel your pain with Prima, their software is a little weird but if you're not used to it you don't need to be multitabling it just yet. Get used to it first, misclicks can become very costly

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Hand3 his standard preflop raise was .5 so why is it a bad call here with AJ I woulda raised to .4 or should I not be raising PF with AJ?

You should be raising AJs preflop in most positions in 6max, and in MP if folded to you (and maybe if there are like 1-2 limpers) and almost always in LP if there are only limpers at a full table.

However, you have to apply Sklansky's "Gap Concept" when calling with hands before the flop. It states that you need a better hand to call or re-reraise preflop than you do to call or raise in the first place.

Such as, there is a raise out of EP at a full table, you look at AT in LP. Now usually you would raise AT in LP but since EP (which according to poker logic, needs a great hand) raised, you need a better hand than he would raise with to call or re-raise, so you fold your AT.

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01-08-2006, 01:17 PM

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I dont really think there is too much wrong here, especially considering te sorta stuff 10NL will get it all in with.
Hand 1
QQ hand is probably a marginal call, but you're stack is too
short to consider anysort of fold. I think you're beat there.
Hand2
I like the way you play the Full house here. Id still bet and hope that someone wants to chase, which they will. Whether you'll get a big call is different.
And dont go round calling raises with AJ. You're hand may have been good. Watching how prima players play id be tempted to call there, but i wouldnt get into the pot in the first place. If opp wants to spank out a big raise then let him. When you're holding a monster hes proven he'll pay it off no problems.Just remember to reraise preflop with big pockets much more to isolate the field. These guys go round calling huge reraises with all sorts of trash.

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01-08-2006, 01:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ProZachNation

You may want to consider cutting down on the number of tables you play and try to concentrate on what the other players are doing while you learn the game. Personally, I think 4 tables (with no overlap) is ideal for an experienced player.

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Hand 2, I think checking the flop is the right play here with 3 acting behind me I know not betting the turn was bad but I figured no one with overs is going to call in the future I will bet the turn. On the river was just desperation hoping somone hit the flush after I fucked up the hand so bad

I don't like a flop check here, and I absolutely hate the turn check. By not leading the flop, you severely cut down on the chance of you pulling in a very large pot, although you may increase the likelihood of winning an extra small bet or two.

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Hand3 his standard preflop raise was .5 so why is it a bad call here with AJ I woulda raised to .4 or should I not be raising PF with AJ?

AJ is probably one of the most deceptive hands out there in NLHE.. it looks very pretty, but it's not a great hand. Ideally, it's a hand you would want to play with position and agression, but not go very deep with it. Calling a 5x raise out of the SB with it should be absolutely out of the question for you right now.. the fact that he has about a half of a stack makes it a worse call.

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Hand4 it was a semi misclick trying to do something at every table. But am I in the right to call a psuh here, I think I am

Misclicks happen, this is a bad time to make one. You gotta bump it up significantly more assuming you are putting in a second bet. Even as played, I get it all-in on the flop.

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Hand 5 misclicked the min raise(need to learn how to raise better on the prima software lol) Ignoring the PF fuck ups what do I do there?

It's hard to ignore the PF fuck ups since not only are you min-reraising a min-raise, but you also did it from the BB so you are OOP with a pretty clearly defined hand. I honestly don't know what to tell you about this hand. I'd lead out more on the flop which should make your decisions easier.

edit: messed up the quotes

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01-08-2006, 07:42 PM

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THanks for all the feedback I appreciate it here is the results.

massiah shows: 5 of Diamonds, Jack of Diamonds
** Dealing the turn: King of Clubs
** Dealing the river: 10 of Spades
ProZachACE wins $6.64 from the main pot

ProZachACE shows: 2 of Diamonds, 2 of Spades
EatYourMoney shows: 9 of Hearts, 10 of Diamonds
ProZachACE wins $1.85 from the main pot

benkahuna shows: Ace of Diamonds, Queen of Hearts
** Dealing the turn: 6 of Clubs
** Dealing the river: 9 of Diamonds
benkahuna wins $4.80 from the main pot
ProZachACE wins $4.80 from the main pot
End of game 636860257

benkahuna shows: 5 of Hearts, 5 of Clubs
** Dealing the turn: 9 of Hearts
** Dealing the river: 8 of Diamonds
ProZachACE wins $12.75 from the main pot

ThermoGem shows: 8 of Spades, 8 of Clubs
** Dealing the turn: 6 of Clubs
** Dealing the river: 5 of Diamonds
ThermoGem wins $20.75 from the main pot
End of game 636846627

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrhappy333

I didn't think its Bold to bang some chick with my bro. but i guess so... thats +EV in my book.

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