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taipan168

02-15-2007, 12:50 AM Post subject: Some 25NL hands from yesterday

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Trying to clear a b0nus at FT by 2-tabling 25NL, it's much faster than playing SNGs and the SNG rake % at FT sucks compared to PS. Can I check my lines on a few hands?

Hand 1 - First hand, no reads at all. Is the push over on the flop too much or is it OK given opp is short stacked?

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Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $27.45
UTG+1: $33.20
MP1: $24.15
MP2: $47.35
MP3: $15.35
CO: $14.65
Button: $11
SB: $5.55
Hero: $25

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with 4

4 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 4

($1, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, MP3 folds, Button raises to $3, SB folds, Hero raises all-in $24.75

Hand 2 - again no real reads. Is there a better way to get the money in on the flop than just shoving over? You can tell I'm a SNG player here

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $53.90
UTG+1: $27.90
MP1: $30.85
MP2: $17.90
Hero: $24.65
Button: $38.30
SB: $25.55
BB: $20.80

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with 3

UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB raises to $1.75, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: T

($5.5, 3 players)
SB bets $5.5, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises all-in $22.9

Hand 3 - Opp's HUD stats were 21/3/2.6. Is this line OK?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.90
UTG+1: $46.40
MP1: $10.70
MP2: $34.40
MP3: $13
CO: $3.75
Hero: $34.40
SB: $32.05
BB: $32.60

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 8

2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, SB folds, SB folds, BB raises to $1.5, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: K

($3.35, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: K

($3.35, 2 players)
BB bets $1, Hero calls.

River: 8

($5.35, 2 players)
BB bets $3.25, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $11.85

Hand 4 - Opp is a calling station, 50/13/1.3. Should I fire again on the turn? What about the river when opp checks twice?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.35
UTG+1: $34.05
MP1: $10.20
MP2: $7.70
Hero: $30.40
Button: $25.60
SB: $24.15
BB: $25.35

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with K

3 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises to $1, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: 7

($3.25, 3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $2, SB folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: T

($7.25, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: J

($7.25, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $4.7

Hand 5 - Opp is a typical LP preflop, aggreessive postflop donk, 59/8/4.8. Is my flop raise too much? With this read on opp I'm calling the flop push over, right?

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $19.25
UTG+1: $14.35
MP1: $9.05
Hero: $24.30
Button: $22.55
SB: $50
BB: $28.45

Pre-flop: (7 players) Hero is CO with 8

UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 8

($1, 4 players)
SB bets $0.75, BB raises to $3.25, UTG folds, Hero raises to $10, SB folds, BB raises all-in $28.2, Hero calls all-in $14.05

Hand 6 - Opp is 42/0/2.5. Should I even bother with A9s in EP? How is my turn line, do I fire again? As played call or fold the turn?

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9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $23.95
Hero: $48.45
MP1: $8.55
MP2: $23.75
MP3: $8.75
CO: $9.65
Button: $9.15
SB: $23.25
BB: $46

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A

UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, MP1 calls.

Flop: A

($2.35, 3 players)
Hero bets $1.5, MP1 calls.

Turn: J

($5.35, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2.25, Hero calls.

River: 4

($9.85, 3 players)
Hero bets $3.8, MP1 calls all-in $3.8.

Results:
Final pot: $17.45

Hand 7 - one of my old favourites, the deep stacked AK TPTK. Opp is 17/3. How is this line? I must confess I had some advice from a railer (Gingerwizard) on this hand, can somebody talk me through whether this is good or bad?

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Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.60
UTG+1: $8.20
MP1: $23.90
MP2: $45.40
CO: $25.75
Hero: $54.80
SB: $24.25
BB: $8.10

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with K

5 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8

($2.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, SB raises to $3.5, Hero calls.

Turn: 2

($9.25, 2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls.

River: 8

($15.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $15.25

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02-15-2007, 02:12 AM

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Far from being an expert in ring but:
Hand1: Villian limped preflop from the button and reraised you on the flop, its a tough spot, I would not commit my entire stack here with bottom two pair I think.

Hand2: Heads up with position and a set I would smooth call and let him lead the turn again, he reraised preflop, his most likely hand is a high PP.

Hand3: I would bet the flop, if I am reraised I am out, if I am called I proceed with caution. I would not be surprised to see TT-QQ here.

Hand 4: I would bet the turn

Hand5: I call and pay the set, I would not be surprised to see something like J9h here.

Hand7: NH

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02-15-2007, 04:03 AM

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Hand 1: Standard is re-raise, which is a push here

Hand 2: Since it's a weak board with few draws a push isn't good. Since he min-ish raised you pre-flop I 2.5x his flop bet and hope he pushes

Hand 3: I 3bet pre-flop. I think you played it fine. You could probably fold the river but either way isn't a big mistake.

Hand 4: Depends on what kind of calling station. Will call with any piece, this is bad. Calls with hope and folds river when misses this is golden.

Hand 5: Super Standard

Hand 6: I fold pre-flop, UTG+1 @ 6max (i.e. MP+3) I raise sometimes. Just put him in on turn (either before he bets or after).

Hand 7: Absolutely fine. If he is a known aggressive I would check behind flop since it's so dry.

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02-15-2007, 05:21 AM

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Thanks TLR and swiggidy, very helpful for a cash game n00b.

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Hand 3: I 3bet pre-flop. I think you played it fine. You could probably fold the river but either way isn't a big mistake.

Can you talk me through the logic of 3-betting preflop? Is this so that we gain the initiative to take the pot away with a c-bet on the flop?

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02-15-2007, 06:18 AM

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I think swigg means he would have raised pf with 88 on the button.

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02-15-2007, 09:17 AM

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just to note tai, its best for you if you post hands separately since cash hands can require so much detailed discussion compare to SNG hands. just make it easier.

Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.

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02-15-2007, 12:00 PM

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Quote:

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just to note tai, its best for you if you post hands separately since cash hands can require so much detailed discussion compare to SNG hands. just make it easier.

OK, thanks for the tip - I was wondering whether it was a bit overwhelming.

Now you've said your bit, give me your opinion on my hands!

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02-15-2007, 12:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by taipan168

Now you've said your bit, give me your opinion on my hands!

lol thought you'd say that, ive a bit of time to look now.

hand 1- dont shove, make it $10. call any shove then or shove turn

hand2- i dont mind the shove. on drawless board you could make it 10-12 then shove turn/call shove. depends on opp

hand 3-ok

hand 4-opp is calling station, so why bet on river?? i cant see how you can represent a Jack

hand 5-i like it

hand 6-A9s steals blinds or limp LP with other limper. thats about it. you wouldnt raise EP in an SNG. as played given how short opp is ill shove turn. oh and make it $2 on flop.

Hand 7-you choose to play cautiously which is fine and let him bluff off his chips. opp is quite tight given stats and on dry board he may have something tho his river check is weak. id call flop and turn and see what he deos on river. defo check behind river

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02-15-2007, 05:59 PM

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1. Good.
2. Call flop, raise turn, or make a smaller flop raise. No need to push here with a drawless board.
3. Raise pre-flop. Can probably fold river to a guy who only raises 3% of hands.
4. Meh. Turn and river are marginal decisions. Against a 30BB station I don't mind checking behind the turn, but I'd also check behind river. I also don't mind putting him AI on the turn, since you have lots of outs.
5. Fine.
6. I play it the same.
7. Opponents stack is ~100BB, so it doesn't matter if you're deepstacked. I like it, but I probably value bet the river for $8. His line looks like it could be a set until he checks the river. And the 8 falling makes a set less likely.

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1. Your bet prevents him from making any mistakes. If he's behind you here, he folds; if ahead he calls. He does not have AQ or AK, he merely completed from sb. Given stack sizes though, no way to raise him w/o committing him. Guess you hafta push him.
2. I wouldn't scare someone away who's drawing dead or who needs to spike a two-outer for his overpair
3. standard but raise eights.
4. Hmm. Don't fire w/o a made v. stations, I like turn check. River bet might work, sometimes stations giveup when all the cards are out. works for me
5. Tricky but I do it; if he has dueces, then his overbet on the flop was just well-played. Hopefully he flips T2...?

If he has combo draw its a flip at worst.
6. As played, never fold that turn. By the looks of his river stacking, you were getting sufficient odds with the implied money. Also, you may not be so behind w/ your aces.
7. wtf does villain have? an 8? air ? pocket 9s? I'm baffled I like the river check behind.

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02-16-2007, 08:54 AM

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Thanks everybody, very helpful. Prepare yourself for more cash hands as this ring donk tries to clear a bonus!

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02-16-2007, 01:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by givememyleg

I think swigg means he would have raised pf with 88 on the button.

yes, I would not limp/3bet with 88.

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02-16-2007, 08:04 PM

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Hand 1: I don't like that line with bottom 2, or any 2-pair at that. I like to keep my bets relatively small as 2-pair is often vulnerable. I call the raise on flop and make another pot-sized bet on the turn.

Hand 2: As much as I hate it, a min-raise here would probably suck SB into the pot and get the chips in on a later street.

Hand 3: Fine, small pot, he could easily be doing that with an ace.

Hand 4: I don't like the river bet against a calling station with air. Check it down.

Hand 5: This is at least better than hand 1 because you have top 2. I think playing like this against an aggessive donk is fine.

Hand 6: If pre-flop action at this table is passive, I might just call from EP. I wouldn't ever raise that hand. As played after that fine.

Hand 7: I'd raise that weak-ass bet on the turn to about $12. Had you been making a lot of CBs? SB might be trying to get you off the hand on the flush and then maybe picked up a flush draw on the turn.

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