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Old 11-02-2006, 02:48 AM     Post subject: So so confused with AQ #1 (permalink)  
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Opp is 16/0 after 50 hands and has a 2.0af. Is this a bad river bet as well.

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UTG ($98.60)
UTG+1 ($321.60)
MP1 ($106.20)
Hero ($100)
CO ($93.60)
Button ($25.10)
SB ($80.50)
BB ($88.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, Q.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, 4 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($11.50) J, Q, 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($25.50) 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($25.50) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $12, UTG raises to $86.6, Hero..?
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Old 11-02-2006, 03:06 AM #2 (permalink)  
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2 hands I think he might have or flush or full house- 1 is he has two diamonds, one of them either a jack or queen, prolly with a smaller card. I think he has to have either a flush or full house because he re-raised on your river raise. The bluff would be a reckless play, but I guess it's possible if he very smart and puts you on not having it.

The other way I see it is that he has a set that hit full house on the river, and thinks he can get you all in. However, the full house makes much less sense because of the potential flush possibilities on the board. Normally a set would try to defend against the flush, especially on turn with two draws out there. But maybe he took a risk and slow played, putting you on something else.

I think it's a flush or full house, you are cooked. If the player is poor, *maybe* he has a queen and thinks when the second queen hits that you must have a jack and are bluffing... but I think this is best case scenario. Easy rule of thumb for me is that if I'm forced to choose going all in with a possible flush AND full house on the board, it's best not to unless you have one of the two!

I think the error was seeing two potential flush draws on the turn and not making him pay. If he calls that, check the river and fold if he bets too large.
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Old 11-02-2006, 03:15 AM #3 (permalink)  
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16/0, i think you are beat. JJ or 44.

but the more i look at it the more confused i am. AJs is a possibility as well. I think its a fold though. i rarely see c/r's all in on the river as a bluff from players like that.
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Old 11-02-2006, 04:56 AM #4 (permalink)  

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You lost this hand on the flop.

You flop TPTK and flat call him. You have no idea what he's got. You NEED to raise his flop bet to see what he does. You've flopped a very strong hand and you're letting him call all the shots.

His river reraise can be a value bet or a bluff - you really don't know because you didn't test him on the flop.

If you reraise him on the flop, his action there will let you know where you stand. If he calls you there, or even raises again, you know to either fold or at least respect his hand.

Then when you get to the river, you know he's most likely not bluffing.

As it is, you're in the dark with the exception of prior reads on him (which are going to be weak over 50 hands).
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