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slickslack
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08-12-2005, 02:07 AM
Post subject: So did I just freak out here?
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: playing myself back to even
Posts: 37
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So did I just freak out here thinking of the straight and flush possibilities, or is this a reasonable use of the push? I'm still trying to get used to the idea of defending a hand.. in the past I would have just kept betting and hoped to hell nothing nasty came out to complete his hand..
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
BB ($26.60)
UTG ($9.40)
UTG+1 ($22.80)
MP1 ($14.75)
MP2 ($22.40)
CO ($11.80)
Button ($100.30)
Hero ($38.05)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , Q .
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.5, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, MP1 folds, CO calls $1, Button calls $1.
Flop: ($5.25) Q , 9, T (3 players)
Hero bets $3, CO folds, Button calls $3.
Turn: ($11.25) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $33.55 (All-In), Button folds.
Final Pot: $44.80
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Greedo017
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2005
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yes, betting maybe 6 is much more appropriate imo. flush isn't scary, he could well have a straight draw, but you'll make more trying to see what comes on the river just making him pay for it. you might fill up and he makes the backdoor flush or trips, never know.
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lamaros
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
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And a slowplaying straight has you destacked. Bet $10 at the most.
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Greedo017
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Full House
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yes, that's also a good point. this is the general reason never to just push like this, because only better hands are calling.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
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My standard line is 3, 7, 11. I think this gets max value against a wide range of hands including second pair top kicker and bottom pair with the J.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Basically you were worried some idiot would call $10 while still drawing. Most won't.
Therefore you have to bet $10 when the made hand possibilities are out there. Don't overkill unless you are certain you have the best hand. Like say the board is {T Q 8 4} instead. Nothing beats you, but KJ or J9 could be hanging around instead of already owning you. In this case I go all in, because of the possibility I'm up against that idiot who would call $10 on a draw.
Unfortunately, with the made hand possibility out there, you have to let the idiot who calls $10 on a draw do just that if they want to. You're making it horribly incorrect for them, while still drawing to full house outs yourself.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
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in that situation, the only hand that would call an all in overbet out of nowhere would be J9, a hand that beats you. You're better off betting more than half the pot.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Sykedupp
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Posts: 550
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Like say the board is {T Q 8 4} instead. Nothing beats you
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9J. 9J beats you.
-Chris
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by soupie
That is the beauty of poker, it doesnt matter how they play, you can always devise the perfect defense and counterpunch hard.
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slickslack
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: playing myself back to even
Posts: 37
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Many thanks to all who replied!
Notes taken!
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DimitriT
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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Yep, a push isn't necessary there and actually benefits your villain by making it easy for him to fold. He probably had AJ. You should bet about 2/3 the pot. Any draw to a straight or flush will be making a mistake to call that.
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