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Old 03-18-2009, 01:55 AM     Post subject: Simplest situation ever - plan? #1 (permalink)  
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This is one of those spots that come up all the time and i'm curious what people's overall plans are.
Assume Villain is an mediocre-to-good TAG.
Obv we're ahead of his cbet range (vs most players), but are clueless on later streets.
What's the plan from flop onwards, particularly if villain bets turn as well?
How do things change if we're not IP?


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Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 7
3 folds, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, CO bets $5, Hero calls $5, 2 folds, MP2 calls $4

Flop: ($16.50) Q, 5, Q (3 players)
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Old 03-18-2009, 02:46 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 how are we ahead of his cbetting range especially when he bets into 2 players?
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:08 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 If you think you're ahead of his cbetting range then call obv.


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 plan is to call flop and fold a lot of turns
 
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Old 03-18-2009, 09:49 AM #5 (permalink)  
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this particular player, because he cbets often and this is a board he can represent vs one player (me) who folds a lot to cbets, and an oop player he can put a lot of pressure on.

If the turn is a total blank like the 3c and he bets again, are we folding?
What about a broadway card?
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 there should be a threshold of pocket pairs that you should be calling/folding here, and its somewhere in the 66-99 range, depending on tons of things
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 you can fold here, you can call here. Depends on reads, reads, reads.
What would you do here with 55? AQ?
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you can fold here, you can call here. Depends on reads, reads, reads.
What would you do here with 55? AQ?
Why is it relevant what you would do with 55/AQ?
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you can fold here, you can call here. Depends on reads, reads, reads.
What would you do here with 55? AQ?
Why is it relevant what you would do with 55/AQ?
isn't floating partly about repping monsters? 55/AQ are monsters here, would he call those? etc.
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Old 03-20-2009, 01:20 PM #10 (permalink)  
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you can fold here, you can call here. Depends on reads, reads, reads.
What would you do here with 55? AQ?
Why is it relevant what you would do with 55/AQ?
isn't floating partly about repping monsters? 55/AQ are monsters here, would he call those? etc.
I would call 55/AQ here. However, if I was to raise them on this flop, does that mean I should be raising 77 also? I obviously wouldn't think so. So while floating/bluffing is about repping credible hands, 77 in this spot doesn't necessarily fall into the category of hands that you want to "bluff" with (imo).

But I do have a few thoughts on this, and similar, situations. I personally would be calling the majority of my continuing range on this flop. And I don't think I would be "bluffing" all that often. So if I call this flop, my hand strength hasn't become transparent. However, if villain checks the turn (as I would think he does a decent % of the time), that's when I feel my hand becomes quite apparent. I mean I would obviously want to bet my nut hands, such as AQ, 55, etc. And I don't think betting 77 on the turn would be all that beneficial, as we likely don't get value and he probably c/calls a good portion of his made hands (TT,JJ,etc.).

So I think when villain checks the turn, my hand strength is going to be really transparent, and relatively easy to play against. As I'm not floating all that often here in a multiway pot, when I bet the turn it would be either nut hand or bluffs/semibluffs, which would be weighted more towards nut hands. And when I check this back on the turn my range is going to be weighted greatly towards marginal hands with SD value.

So what does this mean? Should we be checking back some of our stronger hands in order to make our range less transparent? Should be betting some of our more marginal hands on the turn, intending to continue the bluff on good rivers (like betting 66 with the intention of barreling good rivers so villain folds TT, JJ, maybe KK/AA)? Thoughts?
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