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Sprayed
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12-28-2008, 11:09 PM
Post subject: Simple hand for some
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Bad guy playing 16/15 over 400 hands. I thought that he was isolating. I'm finding that min raises on the turn has me beat the majority of the time. Do I c/f the turn? Being a tourney donk I have a hard time with TPTK and folding in these spots.
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($50)
Button ($37)
Hero (SB) ($50.75)
BB ($8.50)
UTG ($90.70)
UTG+1 ($65.35)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($26.55)
MP3 ($178.70)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , K
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO raises $2, 1 fold, Hero raises $6.25, 2 folds, CO calls $4.50
Flop: ($14) A , Q, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $9.50, CO calls $9.50
Turn: ($33) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $16, CO raises $32, Hero raises $18.75 (All-In), CO calls $2 (All-In)
River: ($101) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $101
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ATOTHEC101
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meh, getting it in isn't terrible here, your only really beat by aq,qq and 33, and qq im expecting him to 4 bet pre. Its close but id fold.
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I'd have a look at his 3-bet call % before betting that flop. I think it's a strech to give him AJ, AT here, and all hands that you beat are afraid of AK/AQ. By betting the flop you are pretty much committing yourself for the rest of the hand.
The thing with 3-betting AK preflop is that you rarely get more than one street of value when you hit it anyway.
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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
meh, getting it in isn't terrible here, your only really beat by aq,qq and 33, and qq im expecting him to 4 bet pre. Its close but id fold.
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Agree also checking flop is viable. Fold to 3 bet is def helpful here. 50nl is incredibly nitty iirc so qq will frequently call the 3b pre, as will aa.
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Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101
meh, getting it in isn't terrible here, your only really beat by aq,qq and 33, and qq im expecting him to 4 bet pre. Its close but id fold.
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Agree also checking flop is viable. Fold to 3 bet is def helpful here. 50nl is incredibly nitty iirc so qq will frequently call the 3b pre, as will aa. |
nitty is an understatement.
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you didn't have plans for the potsizes your bets were creating
you should have reraised more pre, and you should never make this bet on the turn without a clear plan for the outcomes. to bet 16 and fold getting 5:1 is horrible so you should call. but perhaps you should have c/rai or even c/f. bottom line is you created an unprofitable situation on the turn that could have been avoided by shrewder play preflop and on the flop.
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don't like PF and flop bet-sizes (PF too small flop way too big) and I'm rarely betting the turn
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agree with betsizing issues: im okay with preflop but i would bet like 1/3 pot on the flop and go from there.
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how bad is a turn check shove? It's hard to bet for value on the turn but we could induce a bet from floaters since you're probably expected to fold once you check the turn.
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Sprayed
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Awesome guys! This is just what I was looking for. Are you saying to go for pot control since TPTK in this situation isn't necessarily that great of a hand? Also, my 3bets should be more than 3x to give incorrect implied odds?
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raising pot would be 7.25 here and that's the amount I'd raise pf
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agree with betsizing issues: im okay with preflop but i would bet like 1/3 pot on the flop and go from there.
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I usually go with 1/2 on this flop, what's the reasoning behind 1/3? Or would a hand like JT call 1/3 but not 1/2? I understand people are more likely to float us if we bet less, but at what point are we losing value because we're betting so little? Is KQ taking one off if we bet a tiny bit?
I don't like checking this flop though because observant opponents would realize we cbet when we miss and check when we hit
may not be a huge concern in NL50 but something to think about
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12-30-2008, 12:37 PM
Post subject: Re: Simple hand for some
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Originally Posted by Sprayed
I'm finding that min raises on the turn has me beat the majority of the time. Do I c/f the turn? Being a tourney donk I have a hard time with TPTK and folding in these spots.
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A min-raise on the turn when you're really pot committed is the nuts like 99% of the time, I feel.
Being a fellow tourney donk, I too stack off with TPTK/overpairs too much. I find that AK is much less valuable deepstacked than in MTTs/SNGs. Unless the guy is a total idiot (which seems to be the case according to your reads), if you hit, bet, and get called, I think you check the turn always, especially on a board this dry.
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