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07-30-2009, 10:44 AM Post subject: sigh and call or sigh and fold?

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07-30-2009, 01:14 PM

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07-30-2009, 03:44 PM

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what was the timing?

and probably fold

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07-30-2009, 05:16 PM

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also I'm not really sold on the flop cbet, it's so easy for a donk to float with Ax here as well as the multitude of overpairs and draws in their ranges.

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also I'm not really sold on the flop cbet, it's so easy for a donk to float with Ax here as well as the multitude of overpairs and draws in their ranges.

and then fold to a second barrel on most turns, or i can wait for the river

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07-30-2009, 08:33 PM

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I also hate cbetting the flop here because it might very well be a flop where the largest % of hands are check calling or even check raising. Any ace may call or check raise, any pp may call or check raise, any 5, any heart draw etc. The ideal missed flop for you is something more like J22 rainbow, not this coordinated low flop.

As played though, turn is fine and river is a fold.

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guys i'm dead convinced that a large majority of the time a random unknown is going to just flat with any pair, any ace, and any FD, then fold on a later street, usually the river, as long as no heart, ace, or 5 hits. If I check flop I think they'll usually bet that same range on the turn and make me fold.

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yeah, but after you check turn they'll bluff river or c/c if they have showdown

07-31-2009, 06:10 AM

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sometimes, but ime their gonna checkfold ax, 4x, 3x, 2x, and some small pairs, plus a good chunk of their 5x/FD.

Idunno it's probably pretty close between not cbetting and doing as I did but I think it's interesting.

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07-31-2009, 06:57 AM

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sometimes, but ime their gonna checkfold ax, 4x, 3x, 2x, and some small pairs, plus a good chunk of their 5x/FD.

What does ime mean?

fwiw, you only have 60 hands on villain and he's playing more than 25% of his hands so i wouldn't give him much credit for anything yet.

add this into calling preflop then folding to a cbet with hands that hit this flop - i don't see it happening.

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If it wasn't for the drawy board, I'm checking the turn behind.

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sometimes, but ime their gonna checkfold ax, 4x, 3x, 2x, and some small pairs, plus a good chunk of their 5x/FD.

what i'm saying is i expect them to almost always call the cbet but then fold on a later street

oh and ime is in my experience

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