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Old 08-19-2006, 08:35 PM     Post subject: Should I have gone with my gut? (2hands) #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1). Villain was 35/4. Small c-bet + rr all in on flop really had me thinking AA. I made a crying call. My gut really felt AAA, but my brain told me too often this is AK at 25NL, so I called. If I had re-raised PF, would I have been able to get away from this?? Or is Set v Set just something I have to pay off?


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SB ($29.95)
BB ($15.30)
UTG ($30.20)
UTG+1 ($17.80)
MP1 ($25.20)
MP2 ($20.80)
MP3 ($26.50)
CO ($44.80)
Hero ($25.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q.
4 folds, CO raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.25.

Flop: ($4.65) A, Q, 6 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $1, Hero raises to $4, UTG folds, CO raises to $26, Hero calls $19.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($54.15) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($54.15) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $54.15

Results in white below:
CO has As Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Hero has Qd Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: CO wins $54.15.

Hand 2). Dumb, ugly hand where I crying called on the turn thinking "if I improve I get his stack". I had a strong feeling of set/straight on river, but called anyway like a donk. Of course if a 3rd diamond fell there is no guarantee that i get his stack as is..

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.60
UTG+1: $6.80
UTG+2: $28.75
MP1: $44.30
MP2: $10.05
MP3: $2.20
CO: $16.40
Button: $28.30
SB: $86.55
TerryToma: $28.25

Pre-flop: (10 players) TerryToma is BB with K 6
3 folds, MP1 (poster) checks, MP2 raises to $0.5, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, TerryToma calls, MP1 folds.

Flop: 4 3 K ($2.5, 4 players)
TerryToma checks, MP2 bets $0.25, CO calls, Button calls, TerryToma raises to $1, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Turn: 6 ($5.75, 3 players)
TerryToma bets $3, MP2 folds, Button raises to $10, TerryToma calls.

River: A ($25.75, 2 players)
TerryToma checks, Button is all-in $16.8, TerryToma calls all-in $16.75.
Uncalled bets: $0.05 returned to Button.

Results:
Final pot: $59.25
Button shows 7H 5H
TerryToma shows KD 6D
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Old 08-19-2006, 08:56 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 i dont think you can not get your money in on either of these hands.

1 suggestion - raise more on the flop on the k6s hand. you want to build a nice pot with this hand. bet more on the turn
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:05 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 sucks but I call there every time. I get surprised enough by what the villains turn over that there is just no way to fold anything that good.

Hand 2. Raise more on the flop. I add the little min bet to the pot size and make my normal size flop bet. 2/3ish. His block bet succeeds if you play the flop for less. Some villains do this with big hand but usually its a longshot draw.
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Old 08-19-2006, 09:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Re-raise hand 1 preflop then see how it goes. Prolly still going broke regardless.

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Old 08-19-2006, 09:45 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I find a lot of the players on the 25NL tables on Pokerroom raise their aces a little harder than they would with another hand. Notice how he's the first in the pot and he raises 6xBB instead of the standard 4x? It's a good tell I've found. Not to say you can fold this though. I'd definately go broke here but I would follow it up with a "I knew it! Fucker!!"


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Old 08-19-2006, 10:28 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 2: Fold PF. Drawing hands suck OOP.
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Old 08-20-2006, 11:49 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I find a lot of the players on the 25NL tables on Pokerroom raise their aces a little harder than they would with another hand. Notice how he's the first in the pot and he raises 6xBB instead of the standard 4x? It's a good tell I've found. Not to say you can fold this though. I'd definately go broke here but I would follow it up with a "I knew it! Fucker!!"
Good point with the 6xbb first in pf bet. Isnt it fishy he bets only 4xbb on the flop, then RR AI? I really dont see him having less than AA. I suppose he could have had AK. Everyone is saying they'd go broke so I guess I did the right thing in that hand.
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Old 08-20-2006, 11:54 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Hand 2: Fold PF. Drawing hands suck OOP.
Are you serious? You fold to a min-raise on the (edit: big blind)? Even with 7.5 bb's in the pot already?

I pretty much always call in this situation, perhaps its a leak. I'd like to hear more on this subject. I have a hard time folding this spot.

And yeah my c/r on the flop is pretty atrocious. Not sure what I was thinking.
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Old 08-21-2006, 12:15 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 i dont see any problem in calling preflop when your getting 7/1 odds
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Old 08-21-2006, 02:55 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I also think pf call is fine in #2, but flop is spew city. as posted, bet or check/raise closer to pot size on the flop, or else just check/call for your pot odds.

A set or something seems likely on the turn but you're getting odds to call again.

The river call is kinda tough. the way it was played out (would K3/K4/KQ play this way?) I think you're usually facing a bluff or something better than what you have, but bluffs are not too frequent so probably it's a (tough) fold.
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Old 08-21-2006, 03:03 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 is fine.

Hand 2 I don't mind the c/r (4 BBs? ojnos) because you want to build a decent pot for your diamond draw. However you have to keep in mind WHY you c/r... for the FLUSH. When it doesn't come you have to be ready to dump to significant aggression. Remember why you're playing certain cards. When I stopped playing A9s for stacks on 9 high non flush boards is when I started become a better player.
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