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KingLizard

06-17-2006, 05:24 PM Post subject: Should I have done more sooner

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Here the villain is 16 / 0 for 75 hands and I don't remember much other than that as I attempt to review and reverse my recent donk plays. Given the 16% playing range, I was thinking high PP or AT+ but since he hasn't raised preflop, I am not sure how to put him on a range (other than the 16%). Perhaps I don't understand what hands could fall into that 16%.

How should I have played this hand differently?

PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($23.85)
Button ($20.35)
SB ($23.70)
BB ($3.70)
UTG ($37.60)
UTG+1 ($17.40)
UTG+2 (Villain)/ ($27.45)
MP1 ($18.10)
MP2 ($17.90)
MP3 ($4.60)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

, A

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, UTG+2 (Villain)/ calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) T

, A

, 6

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Villain checks, Hero bets $1, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Villain calls $1.

Turn: ($3.50) J

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $4, Villain calls $4.

River: ($11.50) 8

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $3, Villain raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $23.50

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samsonite2100

06-17-2006, 05:33 PM

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For starters, you shouldn't be limping AJo from the CO. Either muck it or raise, depending on if it's a weak-tight table. I usually just muck this b/c it's such a marginal hand.

As played I think it's basically fine.

andy-akb

06-17-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by samsonite2100

For starters, you shouldn't be limping AJo from the CO. Either muck it or raise, depending on if it's a weak-tight table. I usually just muck this b/c it's such a marginal hand.

You muck AJ from late position? I wouldnt mind a raise here at all and thats the play I would probably take, but with two limpers I do not think limping behind with a hand like this is LP is a leak.

Flop is fine, I dont really like a turn overbet, Id probably make it between $2.50-3. Villain is tight, and hasnt raised at all, but we cant tell for sure if thats because he hasnt gotten any hands or because he simply doesnt raise preflop. If the range you put him on id 99+, AT+ then you are way ahead, but its doubtful he called the whole way down with that entire range. The check raise on the river doesnt leave me feeling too great about my hand, but given the size of the bet I dont think Im going to be folding here. Why did you make such a big bet on the turn and then a tiny one on the river? If your bet is going to be that small Id almost rather a check behind there. If the villain were looser then Id like a bigger value bet, but in this situation I dont think checking behind would be horrible.

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06-17-2006, 06:57 PM

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What andy said.

Also Im checking behin the turn if the J doesnt come.

Be careful you dont tip the strength of your hand with your bet sizes. It doesnt matter so much if you think you are up against someone unobservent but make sure you dont do it against someone who is paying attention.

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samsonite2100

06-17-2006, 07:18 PM

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You muck AJ from late position? I wouldnt mind a raise here at all and thats the play I would probably take, but with two limpers I do not think limping behind with a hand like this is LP is a leak.

I mean I usually raise it on the button and if I play it from the CO or HJ I'm raising. I'd be more inclined to limp here with SC/SG type drawing hands that have implied odds post flop against several limpers. Generally, I don't limp that much, period. Dunno, is this a leak?

KingLizard

06-17-2006, 07:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andy-akb

Quote:

Originally Posted by samsonite2100

For starters, you shouldn't be limping AJo from the CO. Either muck it or raise, depending on if it's a weak-tight table. I usually just muck this b/c it's such a marginal hand.

Why did you make such a big bet on the turn and then a tiny one on the river? If your bet is going to be that small Id almost rather a check behind there. If the villain were looser then Id like a bigger value bet, but in this situation I dont think checking behind would be horrible.

I "slowed" down on the river because I have been firing away the past week only to get snookered by a better hand on the river. I guess I was being chicken and get nervous when called on an overbet.

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06-17-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KingLizard

I "slowed" down on the river because I have been firing away the past week only to get snookered by a better hand on the river. I guess I was being chicken and get nervous when called on an overbet.

That leads to [or missed] my first question, why the overbet?

KingLizard

06-18-2006, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

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Originally Posted by KingLizard

I "slowed" down on the river because I have been firing away the past week only to get snookered by a better hand on the river. I guess I was being chicken and get nervous when called on an overbet.

That leads to [or missed] my first question, why the overbet?

I am not sure exactly how to answer the question. Could I have bet 2/3 the pot? Maybe a PSB? I think I was "thinking" ... if you're gonna chase then I want to make sure I get paid if you miss. Does that answer your question?

I appreciate the feedback and questioning by the way.

DaHorror

06-18-2006, 04:17 AM

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Is a river check-behind a leak here? Cuz I would lean more toward that...one of the most likely draws got there on the turn when you improved as well...he smooth calls a 2/3 flop bet and turn overbet...and he's not reraising the river with QJ/KJ/JT.

The oddest thing here is that I would expect him to lead the river out of position if he knew his hand was best. Given that he didn't, calling his river minraise is a given.

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