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ChrisBCritter

08-06-2005, 11:46 AM Post subject: Should I even have been in this hand??

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No reads, 2nd hand at the table for me... Should I have even called the PFR?? Results were good though.. Have no Idea what krazy5abi was thinking...

***** Hand History for Game 2486799078 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, August 06, 06:25:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 37402 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: txtrainer ( $12.30 )
Seat 5: ttt12 ( $41.65 )
Seat 9: apark666 ( $37.70 )
Seat 8: ChrisBCriter ( $9.15 )
Seat 6: xEnigmax ( $0 )
Seat 3: erikthetwist ( $9.92 )
Seat 1: elt1963 ( $21.58 )
Seat 4: HonestGus ( $13 )
Seat 7: TheDing222 ( $18.35 )
Seat 10: krazy5abi ( $25 )
HonestGus posts small blind [$0.10].
ttt12 posts big blind [$0.25].
krazy5abi posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ChrisBCriter [ 5h 5d ]
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xEnigmax has left the table.
TheDing222 folds.
ChrisBCriter calls [$0.25].
apark666 raises [$1.35].
krazy5abi calls [$1.10].
elt1963 folds.
txtrainer folds.
erikthetwist calls [$1.35].
HonestGus folds.
ttt12 calls [$1.10].
ChrisBCriter calls [$1.10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 5s, 7s ]
ttt12 bets [$0.25].
ChrisBCriter raises [$2].
apark666 raises [$6].
krazy5abi calls [$6].
erikthetwist folds.
ttt12 folds.
ChrisBCriter is all-In [$5.80]
apark666 calls [$1.80].
krazy5abi calls [$1.80].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
apark666 bets [$5].
krazy5abi is all-In [$15.85]
apark666 calls [$10.85].
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
apark666 shows [ Ah, Ad ] two pairs, aces and sevens.
krazy5abi doesn't show [ As, Qs ] a pair of sevens.
ChrisBCriter shows [ 5h, 5d ] a full house, Fives full of sevens.
apark666 wins $30.20 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and sevens.
ChrisBCriter wins $29 from the main pot with a full house, Fives full of sevens.

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Irisheyes

08-06-2005, 11:55 AM

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Don't think I woulda called this PFR. Its 15% of your stack and your OOP. Assuming your gonna hit 12.5 percent of the time you could have no stack left when you do.

The wise old men say the rule is -

<5% = automatic call
>10% = automatic fold
5%<PFR<10% = depends on position, reads, card value etc.

SinkRox

08-06-2005, 03:42 PM

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This is why you should top up you're stack, helping your implied odds when you hit your set.

If you have a $25 stack then this is an auto call for set value. You hit about 1 in 8 times so 1.35 * 8 = $10.8 - total price you pay to flop a set or better.

With your stack it wasnt really worth playing for set value.. so get big stacked 8)

Heres to playing for set -value!...

> Game # 287,307,185 starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
> kasbey called for $0.20
> Pirlo22 called for $0.20

Dealt to SinkRox 44

> SinkRox called for $0.20
> mrpolley called for $0.20
> Drutto folded
> hariboh checked
> BrendyBhoy folded
> Joffer called for $0.20
> mrAnakin called for $0.10
> _calle_ checked
> Dealing the Flop(K§4¨9§)
> mrAnakin checked
> _calle_ checked
> kasbey checked
> Pirlo22 checked
> SinkRox bet for $1
> mrpolley folded
> hariboh folded
> Joffer raised for $3
> mrAnakin folded
> _calle_ folded
> kasbey called for $3
> Pirlo22 raised for $6
> SinkRox went all-in for $18.10
> Joffer folded
> kasbey went all-in for $4.69
> Pirlo22 called for $13.10
> Dealing the turn(5ª)
> Dealing the river(Q¨)
> kasbey shows One Pair, Queens
(Q¨Q§A©K§9§)
> SinkRox wins $47.99 with Three of a Kind, Fours

.....this is why I never let my stack go below $17-18 at 20NL

Experimenting - 200NL 5max.

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bair

08-06-2005, 08:14 PM

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played fine

dodgerfan29

08-07-2005, 02:33 AM

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yeah..i think had you a bigger stack that play is obviously strong, given your stack its kinda iffy

a500lbgorilla

08-07-2005, 02:38 AM

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vnh.

Always call raises with pocket pairs in hopes of making your set.

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Fnord

08-07-2005, 06:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Don't think I woulda called this PFR. Its 15% of your stack and your OOP. Assuming your gonna hit 12.5 percent of the time you could have no stack left when you do.

You're being too simplistic.

How much did he have to call the second time? How much was in the pot? How much is left to make-up post-flop in terms of EV when he hits?

Consider....

Everyone has $5

I limp UTG for 0.01 with 22
UTG+1 raises to $1
All 8 other players call
Easy call for 20% of my stack.

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ensign_lee

08-07-2005, 07:23 PM

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I think that y'all are being a bit too simplistic. Look at how many people already were in for the raise. Even with the OP's smaller stack, this is still worth it, but mostly because of the fact that so many people called beforehand. Being OOP with a PP isn't as important as doing it with a suited connector, because you either hit the flop or you don't; that's it.

Calling preflop was fine.

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Fnord

08-08-2005, 01:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ensign_lee

Calling preflop I think was fine.

Stop guessing, someone make a case...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

FishMagician

08-08-2005, 02:39 AM

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Well, he's calling for 1.10, he would need to win 8.80 each time he hits his set to make this good. Anyone think he would average less than that with 5.65 already in the pot?

When you factor in his small stack, which will make it much easier for him to get action for his whole stack when he hits, this is an easy call.

ensign_lee

08-08-2005, 06:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by ensign_lee

Calling preflop I think was fine.

Stop guessing, someone make a case...

I fixed it. Ya happy?

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Rondavu

08-08-2005, 03:30 PM

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Ya, when you buy in short you usually have no implied odds with low pocket pairs. You have to except that as a condition of buying in short. However, when he raised you got 3 callers of that substantial raise before you decided to act. That actually gives you enough implied odds to call based on possible multi way action if you spike a set. I'm no wizard of poker math, but the 12% can't be compared against the 15% as a losing proposition because if you hit there's a great chance for you to more than double up. The raise was 5xBB in a family pot before you. In my mind this is an easy call preflop. It's one I wouldn't like with a short stack, but the slightly favorable implied odds would dictate I make it.

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ChrisBCritter

08-08-2005, 07:41 PM

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Thanks guys. I didn't really feel bad about this call (partly due to the results), so your analysis was very insightful!

Keep rakin the big pots!

ChRiS

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