This should have been an easy laydown....right?

**Knytestorme** · 03-06-2007 11:11 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 ($27)
MP2 ($17.70)
MP3 ($23.65)
CO ($5.70)
Button ($19.80)
SB ($22.90)
Hero ($40.25)
UTG ($25.55)
UTG+1 ($15.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

, 9

.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75, MP3 calls $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4.50) 9

, J

, K

(6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, UTG+1 raises to $8, MP1 calls $8, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $15, UTG+1 calls $7 (All-In), MP1 raises to $26.25, Hero calls $11.25.

Turn: ($72) 5

(3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($72) A

(3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $72
Main Pot: $49.50, between MP1, Hero and UTG+1. > Pot won by MP1 ($49.50).
Pot 2: $22.50, between MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by MP1 ($22.50).

Results in white below:
Hero has 9d 9s (three of a kind, nines).
UTG+1 has Ks Ad (two pair, aces and kings).
MP1 has Qc Tc (straight, ace high).
Outcome: MP1 wins $72.

[EDIT]
MP1 is 24.4/2.4 over 41 hands
UTG+1 is 26.5/16.6 over 30 hands

**cardsman1992** · 03-06-2007 03:37 PM

You MIGHT be able to fold this, but I doubt it. If you are behind to a set, you are drawing almost dead, but that is a small part of the range. Might be looking at AK, AA, KJ. If you are behind to a flopped str8, then you have 10 outs (40%) to draw out with two cards to come. I think I go broke here most times. Dead money makes it a call for sure, even on the last bet.

If you are going to lead on the flop, lead more than 1/2 pot. Lead 2/3 or more......

**Renton** · 03-06-2007 03:43 PM

even with all the cards face up, you still should have gotten all in. You got all in with 30% equity in a 75 pot. This is fine. Don't even think about every laying down sets in raised pots at 25nl.

**swiggidy** · 03-06-2007 03:52 PM

You can't put someone you've played 40 hands with on exactly QT/JJ/KK

Don't post results

With 3 people to act behind you (including the pf raiser), check/raise. If UTG cbets and gets callers you're trapping money in the pot. If you're going to donk bet the flop, bet more, $3-4.

**Knytestorme** · 03-06-2007 10:35 PM

Thanks for the replies, put it in perspective since I hadn't run it through pokerstove yet.

I tossed up about adding the results but figured the thread title gave it away anyway so I may as well

Not sure why I bet the flop so small tbh, normal bet size should have been $3-4 so that was a weird one that I hadn't noticed.

After MP1's all in re-raise I knew what he had but then was looking at about 5.5:1 odds to call hoping for the board to pair which I guess is the main thing and the one that had me questioning my play but now I am thinking over it with the replies here I'm fairly happy I did the right thing I thing.

Thanks guys, and will try to keep results out and thread titles spoiler free again from now on

**mixchange** · 03-06-2007 11:45 PM

gotta make this play every time, otherwise you are missing a lot of value on sets. Some poker hands you are 'destined' to lose money on :/

03-06-2007 11:11 AM #1
Knytestorme View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2005 Posts 617 Location Australia	This should have been an easy laydown....right? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver) saw flop\|saw showdown MP1 ($27) MP2 ($17.70) MP3 ($23.65) CO ($5.70) Button ($19.80) SB ($22.90) Hero ($40.25) UTG ($25.55) UTG+1 ($15.75) Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9. 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75, MP3 calls $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, Hero calls $0.50. Flop: ($4.50) 9, J, K (6 players) SB checks, Hero bets $2, UTG+1 raises to $8, MP1 calls $8, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $15, UTG+1 calls $7 (All-In), MP1 raises to $26.25, Hero calls $11.25. Turn: ($72) 5 (3 players, 1 all-in) River: ($72) A (3 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: $72 Main Pot: $49.50, between MP1, Hero and UTG+1. > Pot won by MP1 ($49.50). Pot 2: $22.50, between MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by MP1 ($22.50). Results in white below: Hero has 9d 9s (three of a kind, nines). UTG+1 has Ks Ad (two pair, aces and kings). MP1 has Qc Tc (straight, ace high). Outcome: MP1 wins $72. [EDIT] MP1 is 24.4/2.4 over 41 hands UTG+1 is 26.5/16.6 over 30 hands

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03-06-2007 03:37 PM #2
cardsman1992 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2005 Posts 1,264 Location Being enjoyed at Jack's Bar since 1397	You MIGHT be able to fold this, but I doubt it. If you are behind to a set, you are drawing almost dead, but that is a small part of the range. Might be looking at AK, AA, KJ. If you are behind to a flopped str8, then you have 10 outs (40%) to draw out with two cards to come. I think I go broke here most times. Dead money makes it a call for sure, even on the last bet. If you are going to lead on the flop, lead more than 1/2 pot. Lead 2/3 or more......
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03-06-2007 03:43 PM #3
Renton View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 7,473 Location Atlanta, GA, USA	even with all the cards face up, you still should have gotten all in. You got all in with 30% equity in a 75 pot. This is fine. Don't even think about every laying down sets in raised pots at 25nl.

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03-06-2007 03:52 PM #4
swiggidy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2005 Posts 7,809 Location Waiting in the shadows ...	You can't put someone you've played 40 hands with on exactly QT/JJ/KK Don't post results With 3 people to act behind you (including the pf raiser), check/raise. If UTG cbets and gets callers you're trapping money in the pot. If you're going to donk bet the flop, bet more, $3-4.
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03-06-2007 10:35 PM #5
Knytestorme View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2005 Posts 617 Location Australia	Thanks for the replies, put it in perspective since I hadn't run it through pokerstove yet. I tossed up about adding the results but figured the thread title gave it away anyway so I may as well Not sure why I bet the flop so small tbh, normal bet size should have been $3-4 so that was a weird one that I hadn't noticed. After MP1's all in re-raise I knew what he had but then was looking at about 5.5:1 odds to call hoping for the board to pair which I guess is the main thing and the one that had me questioning my play but now I am thinking over it with the replies here I'm fairly happy I did the right thing I thing. Thanks guys, and will try to keep results out and thread titles spoiler free again from now on

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03-06-2007 11:45 PM #6
mixchange View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2006 Posts 1,863 Location San Francisco, CA	gotta make this play every time, otherwise you are missing a lot of value on sets. Some poker hands you are 'destined' to lose money on :/

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