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KillsAids

11-15-2008, 03:28 AM Post subject: Several 100NL suited connectors HH

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This month I've been running (mainly playing) bad and I've made a long HEM review. What jumps at me first is that I've lost 5bi's this month in suited connectors/gappers where as I had won 10bi's last month for the same amount of hands. So I'm posting a bunch of hands below and hope to get as much input as you guys wanna throw at me.

Hand 1: Villain is 27/13/8.0 over just 110 hands.
What do we do on the flop? What's our plan if we miss and villain leads for about a pot sized bet? Also, as played do we call or fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($62.70)
Button ($104.30)
SB ($37.05)
BB ($100)
UTG ($120.35)
UTG+1 ($65.90)
MP1 ($91.50)
MP2 ($19.15)
Hero (MP3) ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with

UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, MP2 calls $3, Hero calls $3, 4 folds

Flop: ($10.50)

(3 players)
UTG bets $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($28.50)

(2 players)
UTG bets $108.35 (All-In), Hero ?

Hand 2: Villain is 73/5/0.4 over just 22 hands (I probably had less hand on him at the time)
Playing in multiway pots seems to be another huge weakness for me, what's our plan from the flop onwards?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($226.60)
UTG ($52.60)
UTG+1 ($100.65)
MP1 ($108.05)
Hero (MP2) ($100)
MP3 ($53)
CO ($111.80)
Button ($104.20)
SB ($127)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with

UTG calls $1, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, SB calls $5.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $5, MP1 calls $5

Flop: ($25)

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $15.50, 2 folds, MP1 calls $15.50

Turn: ($56)

(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $25, MP1 raises to $50, Hero ??

Hand 3: Villain is FrAnWaN, a 14/11/2.1 regular. What's our play OOP? Should we check/call the flop and lead turn or just go ahead and get the money in right here and now?
PS: I couldn't convert this hand at FTR for some reason.

PokerStars, $0.50/1 Hold'em Cash Games, 8 Players
Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

Board:
Button: $138.70
SB: $59
Hero: $172.60
UTG: $114.20
MP1: $143.35
MP2: $88.60
MP3: $48.50
CO: $60

Dealt to Hero T

Pre-flop:
(1 folds), MP1 raises to $5, (3 folds), Button calls $5, (1 folds), Hero calls $4

Flop: ($15.50) 5

(3 Players)
UTG bets $13, MP1 raises to $32, (1 folds), UTG raises to $167.60 and is all-in, Hero?[/code]

Hand 4: Villain is Canadien1993, a 12/10/5.3 regular. What's our line here and what are we planning for the hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($50.95)
SB ($100.50)
BB ($48.50)
UTG ($329.70)
UTG+1 ($137.70)
MP1 ($54.05)
MP2 ($197)
Hero (CO) ($103.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with

3 folds, MP2 raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50)

(2 players)
MP2 bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($21.50)

(2 players)
MP2 bets $14, Hero???

Hand 5: Villain is 17/8/2.2, check-raises 8% of the time, no reads. Is preflop loose? Should this be folded from MP? Also, are we happy to get it in here? What's his range?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($99)
BB ($110.80)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($58.30)
MP1 ($107.75)
Hero (MP2) ($100)
MP3 ($118.60)
CO ($100)
Button ($103.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 3 folds, SB calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($4)

(4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, BB calls $6

Turn: ($22)

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $17, BB raises to $47, Hero??

Hand 6: Villain is a random 79/42/5.7 over just 19 hands (might have been an unknown at the time of the hand). Being 5 handed, how does this change our flop and turn play? We obviously cannot stack off, but what do we do if we miss the river or we hit another J or T instead of our straight or flush?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($100)
CO ($113.65)
Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($104.05)
BB ($59.95)
UTG ($143.05)
UTG+1 ($100.20)
MP1 ($59)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, MP2 calls $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($15)

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $8, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, 2 folds

Turn: ($31)

(2 players)
UTG bets $14, Hero ??

Hand 7: Villain is 39/11, he's a random and I just have 100 hands on him.
First of all, what are we expecting from a call preflop? How are we planning the hand when we call? Should we fold this against random players and play it only against regulars to mix it up against them? On the flop, can we find a fold after a bet and a raise?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP3 ($100)
CO ($97)
Hero (Button) ($125.05)
SB ($59)
BB ($79.25)
UTG ($92.85)
UTG+1 ($98.50)
MP1 ($104.60)
MP2 ($99)

Preflop: Hero is Button with

1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $3

Flop: ($13.50)

(3 players)
UTG+1 bets $5, MP2 raises to $14, Hero??

Sorry for an extremely long post, I could've posted these separately but I also wanted to get comments about how I generally play these connectors because they're losing me a decent amount of money.

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11-15-2008, 04:47 AM

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Hand 1, if we raise the flop that gives him the option to shove with his flush draw giving us no fold equity which kind of blows so I'd rather float but people can correct me if I'm completely off

I'm probably not calling two streets without a read that he double barrels unimproved

unless he's completely bluffing, his ace high flush draws compose a huge part of his range
so if that's the only hands he does this with, we're 3 to 1 favorite
but if he does this with JJ+ as well, we're about a 2 to 1 dog

I don't see him doing that with AJ because he can't expect worse to call (even though you actually might with your exact holding)

Hand 2,
instead of playing it the way you played, I would have bet 90% of the pot on the flop and shoved the turn
he can call with his third pair all day

Hand 3, were you the BB? fold pf
Hand 4, why are you flatting this PF... I don't like that
I shove the turn and see if he has the marbles
Hand 5, I fold from MP, I want to play these hands from the CO or BU
I shove and pray he calls with something stupid like 92 (he checked bb)
Hand 6, I am raising the flop we have great equity against any range
Hand 7, this is a shitty spot and I'd felt and probably get owned by a flopped set or straight so I dunno lol

a500lbgorilla

11-15-2008, 05:59 AM

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I'll say this, everyone needs to realize that "op is XX/YY/ZZ over BBB hands" is not a read. And I'm drunk.

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

KillsAids

11-15-2008, 06:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I'll say this, everyone needs to realize that "op is XX/YY/ZZ over BBB hands" is not a read. And I'm drunk.

I'm 14.1/10.7/3.1

a500lbgorilla

11-15-2008, 07:21 AM

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also, im still drunk and loling at some of these hands. sorry!

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

badgers

11-15-2008, 12:19 PM

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1) I like to raise the flop because there are a lot of sets in you range. As played it's really hard to give your opp a range but I would say it's an overpair a lot and occasionally a draw. I don't think you have odds to call against any range I can give him so I would fold.

2) Gross. Fold or stack off both look viable, probably fold until you have more of a read esp if you had less than 20 hnds on him at the time. Stack off is not horrible though.

3) Flop action is messed up but it looks like you've led out and he's raised. His range is a set or a dominating draws so stacking off seems bad esp this deep. Getting 3:1, just call his range and aim for 2 small-ish streets of value against his set if you hit on the turn, fold if he raises regardless of whether board pairs (he won't raise a set on the turn after the flush comes.)

4) 3bet preflop a lot. It's pretty hard to credibly rep anything by raising so it's kinda a lame spot because calling seems bad and folding is uber-weak. idk what his double barreling frequency is going to be but judging by his aggression factor we can probably call here.

5) haha I always pay off in this spot and get owned by a set. Preflop just iso, it's more fun. I think fold because JT got there.

6) 3:1 + implied odds vs. a whale, what was the question??? You have like 14 outs.

7) Play it if youu think it is profitable. If not fold it. This is a good rule of thumb for pokers.

I think I would just call here and see what comes on the turn and how they play. It's kinda a cop out and maybe bad but that's what I'd do.

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KillsAids

11-17-2008, 05:22 AM

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Repping a set when i got a decent draw sounds like a good plan (Hand 1). You've posted this before we chat on IRC about good boards to rep sets, and it's a pretty cool concept. I'm starting to realize I'm disregarding the flop texture when I got a decent draw and I'm either not taking advantage of the board when it's good or overplaying my hand when there's obviously no FE.

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgers

6) 3:1 + implied odds vs. a whale, what was the question??? You have like 14 outs.

So I assume we're pretty much calling the turn and folding river to aggression amirite? Given what I said above, a shove is extreme spew given the board.

Thanks for reviewing the hands, hope I get more feedback from others too

Keilah

11-17-2008, 10:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KillsAids

good boards to rep sets, and it's a pretty cool concept.

wat, this is new to you? Now I understand that retarded/soul read call you made, sdfsfsgfsvbtrbgfdbdfvfjmb f f.

11-17-2008, 10:35 AM

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repping sets in NL50 just doesn't work so idk

a500lbgorilla

11-17-2008, 12:24 PM

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1) snap call! cooler if he's ahead imo.
2) snap fold!
3) ez fold.
4) odd flat. you don't like that he's double barreling you on this board? you're likely behind when he's doing it for value and he could be bluffing a fair amount, so just flat
5) dang, fold the 4 outer. how could his line be a bluff? what can he expect you to fold? or maybe that's just how good he is!
6) plz misplay flop? You can't make a mistake try to get all yo' chips in on the flop. such a nit! Flat turn! And lol at we can't stack off, says who?
7) yeerrrggg, I would flat > 3bet >>>> fold . Can't fold the flop because you're likely ahead of MP2s range but UTG+1 could have everyone crushed!

Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.

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