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Old 02-22-2006, 04:55 PM     Post subject: Set Play #1 (permalink)  
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 Is check raise on turn a profitable move with a set?

Hand #11534577-25651 at Zwiggelte (No Limit Hold'em)
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dude22 is at seat 0 with $81.15.
Stranny is at seat 1 with $49.20.
abbaganush is at seat 2 with $18.70.
Bo G is at seat 3 with $91.30.
wookoo is at seat 4 with $30.90.
PATR11OTS is at seat 5 with $16.55.
JimtheJakal1 is at seat 6 with $58.45.
BlindLuc7 is at seat 7 with $25.15.
Stone Eyes is at seat 8 with $167.40.
Bobadilla is at seat 9 with $19.
The button is at seat 1.

abbaganush posts the small blind of $.25.
Bo G posts the big blind of $.50.

dude22: -- --
Stranny: -- --
abbaganush: -- --
Bo G: 4h 4c
wookoo: -- --
PATR11OTS: -- --
JimtheJakal1: -- --
BlindLuc7: -- --
Bobadilla: -- --

Pre-flop:

wookoo raises to $1. PATR11OTS folds. JimtheJakal1
folds. BlindLuc7 folds. Bobadilla calls. dude22
calls. Stranny folds. abbaganush folds. Bo G
calls.

Flop (board: Qc 4s 3d):

Bo G bets $3. wookoo calls. Bobadilla folds.
dude22 folds.

Turn (board: Qc 4s 3d 9d):

Bo G checks. wookoo bets $7. Bo G raises to $14.
wookoo calls.

River (board: Qc 4s 3d 9d 7h):

Bo G bets $12. wookoo calls.
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Old 02-22-2006, 04:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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A turn check raise is appropriate when your fold equity hasn't increased via a turn scarecard. Say if an ace hits the turn, I wouldn't attempt it, since you'll often be met with dry action or porked by a made hand. In that case it's appropriate to continue value betting, and hope that either your opponent hit the turn weaker than 3 of a kind and wants to destack, or the opponent wants to represent the turn (such as an overcard hitting) with a raise and commits himself. Also, you get to sniff out straights and flushes for an escape plan.
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Old 02-22-2006, 05:07 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Why did you bet that flop? It's rainbow and not all that coordinated. Do you not think someone else will start the action for you?

Turn check raise also depends on the opp. If he has low postflop aggression numbers then he most likely take the free river card.
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Old 02-22-2006, 05:27 PM     Post subject: Re: Set Play #4 (permalink)  
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Is check raise on turn a profitable move with a set?
It depends. Might be the only way to get it all in. Generally I just blast away and hope to get raised or at least called down because a lot of players don't quite understand the spot they're putting themselves in on the next street after they call me. I build pots fast enough that 3 barrels gets us to a 100bb+ pot pretty easily. Throw in a c/r, multi-way action or PFR and we're talking stacks by the the river if not the turn.
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Old 02-22-2006, 10:20 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Old 02-22-2006, 10:22 PM #6 (permalink)  
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i think you basically played it okay...except i would checkraise bigger and bet the river bigger.
I would read the post closer, look at stack sizes and do some simple math.
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Old 02-22-2006, 11:14 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Why did you bet that flop?
To make money. What does checking acheive? He is hoping for a call or raise from a Q, the only remotely likely hand that is paying him off.
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Old 02-22-2006, 11:23 PM #8 (permalink)  
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What does checking acheive?
Sets up runners and 2 outers for his stack...
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Old 02-23-2006, 12:17 AM #9 (permalink)  
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i think you basically played it okay...except i would checkraise bigger and bet the river bigger.
I would read the post closer, look at stack sizes and do some simple math.
remind me not to post in a public forum on 2 hrs of sleep

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Old 03-01-2006, 04:04 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Sets up runners and 2 outers for his stack...
They'll call anyways though lol.
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