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Zangief
Old 04-08-2005, 04:23 AM     Post subject: Set with 4 to straight on board. Ugh. #1 (permalink)  
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I made a set on the flop. There was a small bet and a call ahead of me. I raised it up. The original bettor called.

An obvious 3rd straight card came and he insta-checked. I figured he made a straight, so I checked behind, hoping the board would pair.

Instead, the 4th straight card came. He bet $16, giving me 2.5-to-1 odds on my hand being best.

Anyone call this bet?

I called, but can't tell if I should have.

Dealer: Hand #87727641
Dealer: gmoney1105 posts the small blind of $0.50
Dealer: DanMc522 posts the big blind of $1
Dealer: You have been dealt [6s 6d]
scorpionfish: n
Dealer: CamsCardShark folds
Dealer: Cuse2002 calls $1
Dealer: SemperFiNole folds
Zangief: You have anything?
Dealer: euclid folds
Zangief: Flush draw?
Dealer: kpmaxpo calls $1
Dealer: Zangief calls $1
Dealer: scorpionfish folds
Dealer: gmoney1105 calls $0.50
Dealer: DanMc522 checks
Dealer: The flop is [2h 7d 6c]
Dealer: gmoney1105 checks
scorpionfish: ace (2 hearts)
Dealer: DanMc522 checks
Dealer: Cuse2002 bets $2
Dealer: kpmaxpo calls $2
Dealer: scorpionfish is feeling happy
Dealer: Zangief raises to $10
Dealer: gmoney1105 folds
Dealer: DanMc522 folds
Dealer: Cuse2002 calls $8
Dealer: kpmaxpo folds
Dealer: The turn is [8h]
Dealer: Cuse2002 checks
Dealer: Zangief checks
Dealer: The river is [4d]
Dealer: Cuse2002 bets $16
Dealer: Zangief calls $16

Results hidden below in white (highlight to see):
Dealer: Cuse2002 shows a straight, Eight high
Dealer: Zangief shows three of a kind, Sixes
Dealer: Cuse2002 wins the pot ($56.05) with a straight, Eight high
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:39 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Had this guy been chasing much previously? If so, then I fold here for sure. If not, then I think hard and probably fold anyway. It's tough though, especially since (from the chat) a similar hand just played out with flush cards, and you exemplified the situation by asking the guy what he had afterwards. Table now knows doubly well that you'll fold a good hand to a scare card from a draw.

I probably would have bet the turn - maybe going the same amount as on the flop, assuming that if he had the straight he'd have been an idiot. If he reraised, fold. If he calls, check the river (if given the opportunity) unless your boat comes.
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:40 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I'm curious what cards he actually had. Did he have the straight before the 4 came?
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:49 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I'm curious what cards he actually had. Did he have the straight before the 4 came?
Yes, he made the straight on the turn - just as I suspected. He had 45, so he was open-ended on the flop.

His instant check really made feel like he hit his straight.
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Old 04-08-2005, 04:51 AM #5 (permalink)  
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What about this one? I made a set that was in the middle of a flop with 3 to a flush.

Easy call on river? I thought so. But he did bet about the size of the pot. Other opinions?

Dealer: Hand #87759025
Dealer: Sportshurric posts the small blind of $0.50
Dealer: SilverAudi posts the big blind of $1
Dealer: You have been dealt [Tc Th]
Dealer: Zangief calls $1
Dealer: uhavmahmoney folds
Dealer: jarlaxle133 folds
Dealer: Rawcorp folds
Dealer: gginc folds
Dealer: kpmaxpo folds
Dealer: Sportshurric raises to $2
Dealer: SilverAudi folds
Dealer: Zangief calls $1
Dealer: The flop is [8s Ts Qs]
Dealer: Sportshurric checks
Dealer: Zangief checks
Dealer: The turn is [5c]
Dealer: Sportshurric bets $2
Dealer: Zangief calls $2
Dealer: The river is [6d]
Dealer: Sportshurric has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: Sportshurric bets $6
Dealer: Zangief calls $6

Results directly below (highlight to see):
Dealer: Sportshurric shows a flush, Ace high
Dealer: Zangief shows three of a kind, Tens
Dealer: Sportshurric wins the pot ($19.95) with a flush, Ace high
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Old 04-08-2005, 05:14 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Why check the turn? He's probably not going to hit a card that will give him a good second best hand, and for that card to make his straight, he would have needed to be drawing at the ass end of the OESD.

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Old 04-08-2005, 05:24 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Why check the turn? He's probably not going to hit a card that will give him a good second best hand, and for that card to make his straight, he would have needed to be drawing at the ass end of the OESD.
I don't know exactly how, but I got a really strong read that he had already made his straight. I realize he would have been drawing from the idiot end.

So you would have bet the turn. If he minraised, would you have called hoping for a paired board?

If he raised big, you fold? And if he bets the turn after a minraise, you fold?
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Old 04-08-2005, 06:57 PM #8 (permalink)  

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When there is 4 to a straight, it's almost the same as 4 flush. If you got nothing at this point( you cold have bet a little more earlier), don't risk all of your stack.
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