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Old 03-21-2005, 10:57 PM     Post subject: Semi-bluff with no reads. #1 (permalink)  
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5th or sixth hand at the table. No read.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed) converter

Button ($219.8)
SB ($193.65)
Hero ($226.6)
UTG ($200.2)
UTG+1 ($185.35)
UTG+2 ($128.45)
MP1 ($190)
MP2 ($213.95)
MP3 ($221.65)
CO ($286.1)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, J. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 5 folds, CO raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($19.00) 2, 8, 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $16, Hero raises to $48, UTG folds, CO calls $32.

Turn: ($115.00) 6 (2 players)
Hero...

Play my hand! What do you think he has? How can you play against it? Comments on play so far?

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Old 03-21-2005, 11:42 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Looks like he was position betting to take the pot probably with overcards.

With the blank turn I think you have to continue betting or he'll read you for a bluff. If you get raised, call if the odds are there.

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Old 03-21-2005, 11:45 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Looks like he was position betting to take the pot probably with overcards.

With the blank turn I think you have to continue betting or he'll read you for a bluff. If you get raised, call if the odds are there.

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How much do I bet?

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Old 03-21-2005, 11:46 PM #4 (permalink)  
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hmmm... good question... pot sized bet commits you

maybe check and hope for a free card...

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Old 03-21-2005, 11:54 PM #5 (permalink)  
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hmmm... good question... pot sized bet commits you

maybe check and hope for a free card...

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What hand calling the flop is checking behind?

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Old 03-21-2005, 11:55 PM #6 (permalink)  
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He probably has A-A, Q-Q, or A-Q of hearts. Given the fact that he called a fairly large check-raise, it doesn't seem that he is very willing to fold, so I would check.
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Old 03-21-2005, 11:58 PM #7 (permalink)  
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He probably has A-A, Q-Q, or A-Q of hearts. Given the fact that he called a fairly large check-raise, it doesn't seem that he is very willing to fold, so I would check.
Your read is almost exactly what I thought during the hand.

There's a way to play this that isn't check and hope.

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Old 03-22-2005, 12:04 AM #8 (permalink)  
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What hand calling the flop is checking behind?
not too many...

The thing is that a bet of the pot here is commiting you to calling a raise so you can either bet small ~1/2 the pot or just throw it all in and hope to take it down without a showdown.
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What hand calling the flop is checking behind?
not too many...

The thing is that a bet of the pot here is commiting you to calling a raise so you can either bet small ~1/2 the pot or just throw it all in and hope to take it down without a showdown.
So which do you do and why?

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The thing is that a bet of the pot here is commiting you to calling a raise so you can either bet small ~1/2 the pot or just throw it all in and hope to take it down without a showdown.
So which do you do and why?
a half pot bet isn't getting rid of him, he just called that much on the flop... you gotta push it in if you want the pot.

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Old 03-22-2005, 12:12 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I agree with sed, I'm either check/folding the turn, or pushing, depending on the opponent.
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What hand calling the flop is checking behind?
not too many...

The thing is that a bet of the pot here is commiting you to calling a raise so you can either bet small ~1/2 the pot or just throw it all in and hope to take it down without a showdown.
Well, clearly you're trying to avoid a showdown since you have king high. But, the problem is that it may be almost unavoidable.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:34 AM #13 (permalink)  
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What hand calling the flop is checking behind?
not too many...

The thing is that a bet of the pot here is commiting you to calling a raise so you can either bet small ~1/2 the pot or just throw it all in and hope to take it down without a showdown.
Well, clearly you're trying to avoid a showdown since you have king high. But, the problem is that it may be almost unavoidable.
Push the riv..... for fun.... what??? this hand is worth more then 3x my bankroll ) lol!.... although I think he has a made hand, and your only drawing to the flush, he might be capitalizing on your over-aggresion...

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Old 03-22-2005, 12:34 AM #14 (permalink)  
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Putting him on QQ here, what's the best line?

He'll fold, but not frequently.

An AI would be misguided aggression.

But if I make my flush, I'm almost certain I can get him AI.

Putting him on A Q

I can get him to fold, but only on the river.

I lean towards QQ with the flop action.

If I check, he'll almost certainly assume he's ahead and bet. This I don't want.

He might fold to a non-AI bet, but not many times. If he does call, he'll certainly get it all in there on the river.

During the hand, I thought I had 9 outs to win a big pot, and 3 more to win with no river action. So 1/4th the time, I'm alright since most of the pots will be AIs.
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That's what I thought during the hand.

Since I always enjoy "getting cute," I decided to throw down a blocking bet. By betting 50 bucks, It looks curiously like a value bet trying to suck AA in after flopping my boat with 88. Strong and not afraid of the hearts. But really, It's just a bet to keep me from checking.

A bet to block him from raising or betting me off the hand, and still giving me a chance to make my flush and win the big pot.

I bet 50, he folded. And it was going to be so exciting!

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sorry for my earlier post, the "quick reply" option is sending me to a random thread about 10% of the time I use it... i have to stop using it now

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Since I always enjoy "getting cute," I decided to throw down a blocking bet. By betting 50 bucks, It looks curiously like a value bet trying to suck AA in after flopping my boat with 88. Strong and not afraid of the hearts. But really, It's just a bet to keep me from checking.

A bet to block him from raising or betting me off the hand, and still giving me a chance to make my flush and win the big pot.

I bet 50, he folded. And it was going to be so exciting!

-'rilla
I'm not sure that he would suspect you have a full house with this bet, since 8-8 probably wouldn't check-raise the flop. I think the bet looks a little suspicious, but apparently it was good enough.

It seems strange to me that he'd call the massive check-raise on the flop and then fold to a medium-sized bet on the turn. I'm guessing he had A-Q of hearts.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:59 AM #17 (permalink)  
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I'm not sure that he would suspect you have a full house with this bet, since 8-8 probably wouldn't check-raise the flop.
I would, since it easily builds a big pot with AA or KK and isn't nearly as bad as a turn check raise.

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