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daven
Old 09-25-2008, 10:50 PM     Post subject: schooling #1 (permalink)  
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 the fish are out in force tonight - come to FT 50nl...
thoughts on these hands:
1) villain is kinda crazy, sure aa is in his range, but it's like 5% and we're not deep enough to think about it..
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Hero (Button) ($99.20)
SB ($57.10)
BB ($57.75)
UTG ($15.60)
UTG+1 ($17.10)
MP1 ($31.45)
MP2 ($150.35)
CO ($50.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 7
3 folds, MP2 raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.75, SB raises to $6, 1 fold, MP2 calls $4.25, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: ($18.50) A, 7, 2 (4 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets $8, Hero raises to $16, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $144.35 (All-In), Hero calls $77.20 (All-In)

Turn: ($204.90) J (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($204.90) 2 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $204.90 | Rake: $3

2) villain is loose and range is wide, i figure i got a few outs - gamboooool
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Hero (SB) ($65.65)
Button ($138.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 5
Button raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3) 7, 6, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $9, Hero raises to $24, Button raises to $137.15 (All-In), Hero calls $40.15 (All-In)

Turn: ($131.30) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($131.30) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $131.30 | Rake: $0.50

hand 3: well i'm up against at least a set, gotta be... or maybe ak... HOLD!!!!
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SB ($103.60)
BB ($55.85)
UTG ($105.15)
UTG+1 ($18)
MP1 ($41.65)
Hero (MP2) ($50)
CO ($103.60)
Button ($117.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8, 6
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.50) A, 7, 2 (5 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $3, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $6, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $17 (All-In), Hero raises to $28, Button calls $22

Turn: ($77.50) K (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets $21 (All-In), Button calls $21

River: ($119.50) 10 (4 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $119.50 | Rake: $3
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 09-26-2008, 01:25 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1 - minraise is meh... we want to get stacks in and either way if we raise and he can handread we have a set but he can't handread cos he's a donk so raise properly and make it easier to get it in.

2- soooo many outs!

3 - this minraise is worse cos sometimes you're just going to be giving kh odds to see a turn. Just raise properly, it doesn't affect their play that much and you get more money in the pot.
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:15 AM #3 (permalink)  
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what's to think about besides the ghey minraising? Easy hands.
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:39 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I know you're a lot better than me daven, but why do you minraise? Especially in hand 3. Make any1 with a big heart actually have to pay to draw to it.
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Old 09-26-2008, 03:47 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 Fold preflop in the first
Second is ok
third jesus christ you have a vulnerable hand, stop minraising
 
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Old 09-26-2008, 04:16 AM #6 (permalink)  
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lol @ minraising with the nuts
I fold EXPLOITABLY too much to those raises
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Old 09-26-2008, 04:18 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Fold preflop in the first
Second is ok
third jesus christ you have a vulnerable hand, stop minraising
Fold pf in hand 1 even being 200bb deep with MP2?
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Old 09-26-2008, 06:11 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Fold preflop in the first
Second is ok
third jesus christ you have a vulnerable hand, stop minraising
hand 1 200bb deep so i call the extra 8bb.

hand 2 i got it in good against JJ, never mind.

hand 3 yep, you're right. I got very lucky here. I wasn't worried about UTG+1 cos i thought his range is pairs (reg and standard play 22-99, no variation = bot styles), but forgot about players left to act after my first re-raise. The second raise and button has to call 22 into 77 with decent implied - I knew I had got rid of his pot odds, but forgot that I struggle to fold a heart turn and hate a paired board... truth is that my reads were shit and utg+1 had AdKh while button had 22....

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I know you're a lot better than me daven,
i've seen no evidence of this, but my ego loves it anyway. As for the min-raise, yep, sometimes it's appropriate. But.... often it's not
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 09-26-2008, 06:58 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 like all except 1 where id call flop and raise turn as hes too committed once he best turn (which he will 85% of the time)
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Fold preflop in the first
Second is ok
third jesus christ you have a vulnerable hand, stop minraising
ya, minraises are useless, but no need to fold 77, unless you think he is a very tight player.
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:57 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Fold preflop in the first
I disagree because we're in position 3-way where we're deep with one villain and ~110bb with the other.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:05 AM #12 (permalink)  
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I don't hate the minraise in Hand 1 that much, but in hand 3 it's horrrrrible.
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