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strawman
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09-01-2006, 05:30 AM
Post subject: SB/BB- best line?
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Straight
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Push the flop here?
Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
8 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.75
UTG+1: $40.80
MP1: $22.20
MP2: $24.50
CO: $23.30
Button: $24.10
hero: $27.80
BB: $30.15
Pre-flop: (8 players) hero is SB with T A
6 folds, hero calls, BB raises to $1, hero raises to $4.1, BB calls.
Flop: K Q A ($8.2, 2 players)
hero bets $8, BB raises to $16, hero calls.
Turn: 3 ($40.2, 2 players)
hero is all-in $7.55, BB calls.
River: 5 ($55.3, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $55.3)
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martindcx1e
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don't do this please. IMO you just blew a buy-in in a spot where you had no reason to. you got over 1/2 your stack in on the flop w/o even TPTK. no, don't push the flop. i'd prob let it go on the flop actually. i also would not 3-bet PF here either (EDIT: but then again i stray away from silly blind wars usually).
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strawman
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
don't do this please. IMO you just blew a buy-in in a spot where you had no reason to. no, don't push the flop. i'd prob let it go on the flop actually. i also would not 3-bet PF here either.
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I'm not going anywhere here against villian other than all the way. It's just a matter of the flop or turn.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by strawman
I'm not going anywhere here against villian other than all the way. It's just a matter of the flop or turn.
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do you hate money?
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strawman
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Straight
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by strawman
I'm not going anywhere here against villian other than all the way. It's just a matter of the flop or turn.
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do you hate money? |
Should I love money? Or should I make correct decisions at the table?
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TerryToma
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any reads? has he stolen yoru blinds last 3 orbits or something? you went a bit overboard, i agree.. but i dont midn a reraise here
go 3$ pf, then not more than 1/2 pot on flop.. as played you are pot committed with a single minraise from villain.. try and keep the pot a bit smaller when playing just tp.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by strawman
Should I love money? Or should I make correct decisions at the table?
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correct decisions. sorry but i think this hand was played very badly. if you happened to be up vs. a horrible donk and doubled up then good for you. in the longrun i believe this is as good as burning money.
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freechus9
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Fold the flop.
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strawman
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
any reads?
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A pretty good one which combined with my A10s having a high probablity of being the best hand preflop led me to limp expecting villian to push me off. Villian and I have tussled over a couple of hands and villian has shown a propensity of going over my raises even when I had better goods preflop. Additionally villian has seen me being aggressive when drawing to a flush. There's no doubt in my mind that I am getting my money in good here, but I sometimes forget to finish off my stack in such situations where it would be incorrect for villian to call as opposed to pushing on the turn where nearly any draw is going to call .
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MiJ
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Originally Posted by strawman
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
any reads?
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A pretty good one which combined with my A10s having a high probablity of being the best hand preflop led me to limp expecting villian to push me off. Villian and I have tussled over a couple of hands and villian has shown a propensity of going over my raises even when I had better goods preflop. Additionally villian has seen me being aggressive when drawing to a flush. There's no doubt in my mind that I am getting my money in good here, but I sometimes forget to finish off my stack in such situations where it would be incorrect for villian to call as opposed to pushing on the turn where nearly any draw is going to call . |
this is still very spewy ..it also looks like your tilted by this player....what makes this play bad is that your raising and your playing this hand OOP which sux donkey balls ...if your going to make this play make it when your in the BB and he's in the SB that way you have more control in the hands...
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Fnord
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I don't like pre-flop, with that action you're going to be put into a lot of difficult spots with a well defined hand out of position against an opponent that may or may not have flipped the spew bit (no read river.)
I'd dump to his min-raise. You're not tossing around small bets at this point. Fail that, I'd just stick it in.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by TerryToma
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A pretty good one which combined with my A10s having a high probablity of being the best hand preflop led me to limp expecting villian to push me off. Villian and I have tussled over a couple of hands and villian has shown a propensity of going over my raises even when I had better goods preflop. Additionally villian has seen me being aggressive when drawing to a flush. There's no doubt in my mind that I am getting my money in good here, but I sometimes forget to finish off my stack in such situations where it would be incorrect for villian to call as opposed to pushing on the turn where nearly any draw is going to call . |
you should probably include reads when posting HH's. EDIT: Even with your read I still don't like it.
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Fnord
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When the BB raises here, he either has a big hand or wants to spew.
In either case, I hate playing back at him with ATs out of position. If he wants to spew, he'll make some pretty huge post-flop Skylansky errors and we want lots of money behind to exploit that.
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strawman
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Originally Posted by Fnord
In either case, I hate playing back at him with ATs out of position.
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I would be a bit more position conscious if someone else entered the pot, however HU with two random hands and mine having excellent showdown value I wasn't as concerned with position. As long as villian did what I thought and tried to push me off the hand preflop and an Ace dropped on the flop I was going to go all the way with it.
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Farrell
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I think open raising preflop is a better line than call-raise; open raising gives hero the betting lead for a cheaper price. If hero gets reraised before the flop, then he's got another decision, but I think that the preflop action as played puts him in a lot more tough spots.
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martindcx1e
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Originally Posted by Fnord
In either case, I hate playing back at him with ATs out of position.
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I would be a bit more position conscious if someone else entered the pot, however HU with two random hands and mine having excellent showdown value I wasn't as concerned with position. As long as villian did what I thought and tried to push me off the hand preflop and an Ace dropped on the flop I was going to go all the way with it. |
strawman there are a lot of decent poker players giving you hand advice and you're blowing all of it off. why did you post the hand?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Farrell
I think open raising preflop is a better line than call-raise; open raising gives hero the betting lead for a cheaper price.
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Nothing wrong with the call pre-flop. Just don't make a habbit of doing it with good hands. HU trash vs trash calls for mixing it up.
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Originally Posted by strawman
excellent showdown value
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Your "excellent showdown value" is my pay-off bitch. Limit tables are one tab over.
Also, once he raises pre-flop you're no longer against a random hand.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Look bud, A10 isn't very good... in fact it sucks a big fat c*ck. I don't care what "maniac" you are playing against, you just shouldn't reraise a marginal hand that big out of position.
Also on the flop, you pot it and he minraises you. It's not like you have a lot behind. He is 95% beating you if he is retarded, and 100% if he is any good.
I don't care about the results, i feel the play of this hand just wasn't good. You need to open up a little bit and listen to the advice these posters are giving you.
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