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evovolvo
Old 07-17-2006, 03:32 PM     Post subject: Running bad #1 (permalink)  
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Been running break even the last 10k hands and it's pissing me off.
Here's a few hands from today. Is it varience or am I a donk ?


Villain is 32/6. When he potted it on the turn, I didn't think he had the flush, or he'd try to extract more money, so I called it.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($42.71)
Hero ($97.50)
UTG+2 ($108.85)
MP1 ($130.20)
MP2 ($76.90)
MP3 ($138.47)
CO ($100)
Button ($99.95)
SB ($108.50)
BB ($196.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, MP1 calls $4, 2 folds, CO calls $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($16.50) 9, K, 3 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, MP1 calls $12, CO folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($40.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $38.73, Hero calls $38.73.

River: ($117.96) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 calls $75.47 (All-In), Hero calls $42.77 (All-In).

Final Pot: $236.20

Results in white below:
Hero has Ah Ks (one pair, kings).
MP1 has 3h 3s (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: MP1 wins $236.20.



Villain is 21/7

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($100)
UTG ($104.20)
Hero ($231)
MP1 ($39.91)
MP2 ($94.35)
MP3 ($101.60)
CO ($100)
Button ($140.60)
SB ($133.41)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 5, 5. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 raises to $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, 3 folds, Hero calls $2, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($11.50) 9, A, J (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $3, CO folds, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($17.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $7, Hero raises to $14, MP2 raises to $21, Hero calls $211 (All-In), MP2 calls $67.35 (All-In).

River: ($330.85) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $330.85

Results in white below:
Hero has 5s 5h (full house, fives full of nines).
MP2 has Jh Js (full house, jacks full of nines).
Outcome: MP2 wins $194.20. Hero wins $136.65.


Villain is 20/13

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+2 ($52.83)
MP1 ($105.60)
MP2 ($58.45)
Hero ($184.89)
CO ($91.85)
Button ($55.99)
SB ($236.22)
BB ($152.40)
UTG ($96)
UTG+1 ($99.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 3, 3. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $1, MP1 raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $6, 4 folds, UTG+2 folds.

Flop: ($14.50) 4, 3, 5 (2 players)
MP1 calls $99.60 (All-In), Hero calls $99.60.

Turn: ($213.70) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($213.70) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $213.70

Results in white below:
MP1 has 5h 5s (three of a kind, fives).
Hero has 3d 3h (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: MP1 wins $213.70.
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Old 07-17-2006, 03:43 PM     Post subject: Re: Running bad #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: No reason to even continue past the flop against a 3-flushed board. Suited crap is obviously in villain's range.

Hand 2: Fold on the flop, only getting 5:1 on your call when it's what, 10:1 to hit that 3rd 5? As played it's fine and you got unlucky, villain could be pushing a draw or TPGK or even 2 pair with the AJ.

Hand 3: Again, flop play. Scary as hell board with obv. straight and diamond draws. Bet out $10, fold to a re-raise, if called re-evaluate on the turn. If you were that intent on pushing out a draw, a $20 overbet of the $14 pot does the same as a $100 overbet. Less is more sometimes.
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Old 07-17-2006, 03:47 PM     Post subject: Re: Running bad #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: No reason to even continue past the flop against a 3-flushed board. Suited crap is obviously in villain's range.

Hand 2: Fold on the flop, only getting 5:1 on your call when it's what, 10:1 to hit that 3rd 5? As played it's fine and you got unlucky, villain could be pushing a draw or TPGK or even 2 pair with the AJ.

Hand 3: Again, flop play. Scary as hell board with obv. straight and diamond draws. Bet out $10, fold to a re-raise, if called re-evaluate on the turn. If you were that intent on pushing out a draw, a $20 overbet of the $14 pot does the same as a $100 overbet. Less is more sometimes.
On hand 2 I called the flop be mostly to see what he did on the turn since he bet so small. Wasn't calling only to catch a 5.

On hand 3 I was in position and he went all in at once, so it was either call or fold.

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Old 07-17-2006, 04:24 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 fold hand 1. You dont beat a lot he'd pot, no matter what it is.

Hand2, erm not a lot to say here apart from you didnt hit a set on the flop and hes likely to have hit that as a pfr'er.

hand 3. Before i looked at the results i thought set/overpair/flusdraw + overs.
I just cant see us folding this, some might not agree. However, its exactly how id play a monster here hoping you caught which is why im skeptical of calling this with only 6bbs invested. That said ofc, why would we ever fold a set here against a pfr'er.
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Old 07-17-2006, 06:01 PM     Post subject: Re: Running bad #5 (permalink)  
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On hand 2 I called the flop be mostly to see what he did on the turn since he bet so small. Wasn't calling only to catch a 5.

On hand 3 I was in position and he went all in at once, so it was either call or fold.

Thanks for your input.
D'oh. Was doing a couple of other things while typing this response out for hand 3.

For the 2nd hand, there's a difference between betting weakly and betting so you absolutely get a call. Preflop shows he some idea of how to bet (the 3-bet raise) so that 1/4 pot bet looks mighty fishy.

For hand 3, think about what hands immediately go all in there. Top set or a made straight (IE hands that have you killed) is gonna insta push that so they don't give any cheap diamonds or a draw to AA, 22, 66, or 77. Note that at smaller limits for the most part people pushing 10x the pot AI on the flop signifies extreme strength (but not nut strength, unless you have a really fishy image, or they don't know how to extract value).

Now that I think about it though, the PRF looks an awful like AA or KK. You also may have someone sitting on AK diamonds (much moreso with that pre-flop raise than A2s or 56s). Actually looking back on it, I really like your call here, though I'm torn because that ridiculous push looks so wrong. Nh though, and I applaud your gumption.
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Old 07-17-2006, 07:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I lead the turn and fold to a raise. As played I fold to the turn pot bet. There's not much you beat that shows this kind of strength.

Hand 2: Fold the flop.

Hand 3: Standard.
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Old 07-17-2006, 08:15 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 You didn't play hand #3 wrong IMO. Looks to me like AA-KK. Couldn't see someone raising 6xBB in EP with 67s. Maybe I could fold 2 pair here but not a set.


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Old 07-17-2006, 10:18 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i think you played 3 great - that is a crappy spot -

hand 2 - I had the same thing happen to me the other day and I got stacked when i hit my set of 2's on the turn - Guy already flopped set of K's and was slowrolling me - I was so happy to get all my money in I didn't even CONSIDER thta I was beat - The saying "flop it or drop it" really is very true

Hand #1 - I think that is a prime example of just being too stubborn - I like the aggressive flop bet, but when he calls why didn't you lead the turn? When you check he can bet big with anything - You can't call that large of a bet on the turn and then it was like you just gave up and called whatever it was on the river - I like the flop bet but i'm ready to give it up pretty quick thereafter....don't be stubborn with TPTK hands...especially when the board is scary like that .
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