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Fnord

12-31-2005, 07:49 PM Post subject: Routine?

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I have A

and raise to $3 UTG.

Folded to BB ($62.50) who tanks about 3 sec and calls.

Flop is 5

Check, I bet $4, call

Turn is K

Check, check

River is 3

Bet $1, I call...

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12-31-2005, 07:57 PM

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I think you lost the hand but I play it the same. He probably called w/ 2 suited cards and hit like low/middle pair.

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12-31-2005, 09:23 PM

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reads, what are opps like?
If they easy fold and dont wana push margins then sure bet here on the flop. otherwise imo its ugly but not horrible, who believes you really hit that?.
I guess you take your free card on the turn, although the temptation is to bet again, you may have 10 live outs. but i hate it when u dont take the free card and end up getting into a messy situation. So check.
I guess you have to call that for the 'sometimes' your ace high is goot. Stunning value bet if opp knows u have ace high and has u beat, i cant resist

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12-31-2005, 10:24 PM

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reads, what are opps like?

I wish I had a read here. Would make the turn/river so much easier.

2nd obrit, this guy hadn't drawn any attention from me yet.

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12-31-2005, 10:33 PM

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I would call the $1 bet just to see what he has so I can make a note. However, I think you coud've taken this pot down on the turn by betting $7-8.

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I think the line is OK, esp if you don't have a read, and like miffed I pretty much autocall the river bet - cheap price to look him up.

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01-01-2006, 12:13 AM

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yeah calling for info is ok.
you are putting a $1 into a pot of $15ish. so if you are winning just a couple times its probably worth a call, even though i cant imagine what you are beating here...

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01-01-2006, 12:14 PM

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I agree, I win this often enough for the call to at least be break-even, if not +EV.

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I agree, I win this often enough for the call to at least be break-even, if not +EV.

ok
we agree on the call so what did he have. I wouldnt be surprised to see Ax here especially AJ or AT

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01-01-2006, 04:35 PM

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01-01-2006, 05:55 PM

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I think he had A3 and you lost to a pair of 3's. Just a guess though.

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Its fine. You have to call the river but I think alot of the time you lose to a low pp. Probably a breakeven situation.

Its much better if you 2/3 the turn though.

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Its fine. You have to call the river but I think alot of the time you lose to a low pp. Probably a breakeven situation.

Its much better if you 2/3 the turn though.

Yuk
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Its fine. You have to call the river but I think alot of the time you lose to a low pp. Probably a breakeven situation.

Its much better if you 2/3 the turn though.

Yuk
2/3
How many are really going to believe you there as well?

Generally I dont mind firing a second barrel in these situation as unless the villian has a set or K10 that K is definatly a scare card and 10x or lower PP would very likley give it up.

I would'nt do it in this case though as you have a free shot at the nut straight that you would have to give up to a ck-raise. If you check and it hits your going to stack a sloplayed set no problem.

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Its fine. You have to call the river but I think alot of the time you lose to a low pp. Probably a breakeven situation.

Its much better if you 2/3 the turn though.

True, standard in that hand would be to bet the king. Unless he's known to call down with weak holdings!

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Its fine. You have to call the river but I think alot of the time you lose to a low pp. Probably a breakeven situation.

Its much better if you 2/3 the turn though.

Yuk
2/3
How many are really going to believe you there as well?

Lots.

Your betting all the way through here reps AK. Its a scare card for lots of hands.
Lots of opps put you on overcards on the flop and call to test you. All underpairs fold if you bet the turn.
You bet the turn and even if he doesn't put you on AK it strengthtens any AT thoughts he has.
For some reason I just seem to notice loads of fish/passives who call flop/fold turn. It seems to be a stndard line in fish waters.

Is half pot any better for you? And I don't bet the turn if its not a K incase thats what you were thinking.

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01-02-2006, 07:39 AM

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Hm, you raised UTG, and there are face cards on the board...you're almost always losing here I think. However, for such a small bet into a medium pot (15-to-1 odds?) I think you have to call if only for information. The information could prove to make this move very +EV for you during future hands against opp....

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The call on the river wins you the pot 1 out of 50 times. He has a pair. The call is made to find out whether he called you down preflop with 66 (standard) or with A5o (non-standard). Knowing what range of hands your opps are playing versus EP raises is very important for value betting and c-betting.

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01-03-2006, 09:16 PM

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I play it the same but usually lose in the same manner too. probably to a donky fish straight call or a small pair.

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01-04-2006, 07:56 AM

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Bet the turn. The K is a scare card for just about all of his flop calling hands, and you have 10 outs most of the time anyways.

I would call the river for information.

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01-04-2006, 08:53 AM

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What kind of player it is and what kind of range my opponent is on-- calling a UTG raise from the BB, check/calling a 52T rainbow flop, then checking the turn, is more important to me then the K that hits the turn.

It looks like a sign of weakness, but he could also be pulling a check/call + check/raise line with a set. In any case, I see different arguments for how to play the turn but I think it's more a matter of feel for the opponent. Keep in mind he is letting you see a free river and what looks to be 10 good outs, 4 of which are the nuts. I usually take that here...

On the river, I call and not only because I want to see his cards, (which is obviously a wealth of information) but I'm getting 15:1 here and I think I'm good here more than 1 out of 15 times.

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This is pretty standard but I tend to raise him to $8-9 and expect him to fold his 5 or something. or I call here and do that later if my read is correct. Weak means weak when you are playing against these guys. Against some players you really wouldnt be representing anything clearly enough for them to fold..

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