Originally Posted by Rondavu

Full Tilt Poker Game #921656468: Table St Rose (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:41:12 ET - 2006/08/21
Seat 1: No Huevos ($45.75)
Seat 2: Bud3008 ($18.75)
Seat 3: Rondavu ($59.15)
Seat 4: Givemepaper ($14.75)
Seat 5: arianna_67 ($74.85)
Seat 6: Dbone23 ($19.50)
arianna_67 posts the small blind of $0.25
Dbone23 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [4c 4s]
No Huevos folds
Bud3008 folds
Rondavu raises to $1.75
Givemepaper calls $1.75
arianna_67 folds
Dbone23 folds
*** FLOP *** [7s Td Jd]
Rondavu bets $3
Givemepaper calls $3
*** TURN *** [7s Td Jd] [8d]
Rondavu checks
Givemepaper bets $10, and is all in
Rondavu: hmmmm
Rondavu calls $10
Givemepaper shows [Qs Ac]
Rondavu shows [4c 4s]
*** RIVER *** [7s Td Jd 8d] [6s]
Givemepaper shows Ace Queen high
Rondavu shows a pair of Fours
Rondavu wins the pot ($28.75) with a pair of Fours
Givemepaper is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $30.25 | Rake $1.50
Board: [7s Td Jd 8d 6s]
Seat 1: No Huevos didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Bud3008 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Rondavu showed [4c 4s] and won ($28.75) with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: Givemepaper (button) showed [Qs Ac] and lost with Ace Queen high
Seat 5: arianna_67 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Dbone23 (big blind) folded before the Flop

vqc: this looks kinda horrible to me. Do you think he wouldve shoved a hand like JJ or TT preflop? I dont think your ever ahead enough here. What gave you the idea that you should call here?

Full Tilt Poker Game #922965468: Table Exeter (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:23:47 ET - 2006/08/22
Seat 1: CUBIBLU10 ($24.50)
Seat 2: 1gameface ($58.40)
Seat 3: Rondavu ($49.65)
Seat 4: AtomiX_LBD ($19.25)
Seat 5: Dave101 ($51.55)
Seat 6: deputyjunior ($51.20)
deputyjunior posts the small blind of $0.25
CUBIBLU10 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [Tc 9c]
1gameface raises to $1.75
Rondavu calls $1.75
AtomiX_LBD folds
Dave101 calls $1.75
deputyjunior folds
CUBIBLU10 folds
*** FLOP *** [2s 7d 5c]
1gameface checks
Rondavu checks
Dave101 checks
*** TURN *** [2s 7d 5c] [7h]
1gameface bets $2.50
Rondavu calls $2.50
Dave101 folds
*** RIVER *** [2s 7d 5c 7h] [3c]
1gameface checks
Rondavu bets $7
1gameface has 15 seconds left to act
1gameface folds
Uncalled bet of $7 returned to Rondavu
Rondavu shows [Tc 9c] (a pair of Sevens)
Rondavu wins the pot ($10.45)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11 | Rake $0.55
Board: [2s 7d 5c 7h 3c]
Seat 1: CUBIBLU10 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: 1gameface folded on the River
Seat 3: Rondavu collected ($10.45)
Seat 4: AtomiX_LBD didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Dave101 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: deputyjunior (small blind) folded before the Flop
vqc: nh. position is teh sexy.

against a known loose aggressive


Full Tilt Poker Game #922985543: Table Ivanhoe (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:34:55 ET - 2006/08/22
Seat 2: Dave101 ($44)
Seat 3: Rondavu ($102.65)
Seat 4: ashley242 ($73.20)
Seat 5: AtomiX_LBD ($23.70)
Seat 6: Zem52887 ($81.10)
Rondavu posts the small blind of $0.25
ashley242 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [Qs Td]
AtomiX_LBD folds
Zem52887 folds
Dave101 folds
Rondavu calls $0.25
ashley242 raises to $1.50
Rondavu calls $1
*** FLOP *** [9d 5c Qh]
Rondavu bets $2
ashley242 raises to $7
Rondavu calls $5
*** TURN *** [9d 5c Qh] [5h]
Rondavu bets $7.50
ashley242 folds
Uncalled bet of $7.50 returned to Rondavu
Rondavu mucks
Rondavu wins the pot ($16.15)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17 | Rake $0.85
Board: [9d 5c Qh 5h]
Seat 2: Dave101 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Rondavu (small blind) collected ($16.15), mucked
Seat 4: ashley242 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: AtomiX_LBD didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Zem52887 didn't bet (folded)

vqc: i would tend to raise this preflop, makes the rest of the hand easier to play

Full Tilt Poker Game #922999422: Table Ivanhoe (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:42:50 ET - 2006/08/22
Seat 1: itsasetup ($38.20)
Seat 2: Dave101 ($56.60)
Seat 3: Rondavu ($106.05)
Seat 4: ashley242 ($68.15)
Seat 5: AtomiX_LBD ($22.20)
Seat 6: Zem52887 ($77.35)
ashley242 posts the small blind of $0.25
AtomiX_LBD posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [2h 9h]
Zem52887 raises to $1.75
itsasetup folds
Dave101 folds
Rondavu raises to $6
ashley242 folds
AtomiX_LBD folds
Zem52887 calls $4.25
*** FLOP *** [5c 5s 6c]
Zem52887 checks
Rondavu bets $7
Zem52887 folds
Uncalled bet of $7 returned to Rondavu
Rondavu shows [2h 9h] (a pair of Fives)
Rondavu wins the pot ($12.15)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.75 | Rake $0.60
Board: [5c 5s 6c]
Seat 1: itsasetup didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Dave101 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Rondavu (button) collected ($12.15)
Seat 4: ashley242 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: AtomiX_LBD (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Zem52887 folded on the Flop

vqc: they were suited.

Result of previous bluff against same opponent

Full Tilt Poker Game #923007039: Table Ivanhoe (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:47:26 ET - 2006/08/22
Seat 1: itsasetup ($36)
Seat 2: Dave101 ($62)
Seat 3: Rondavu ($112.05)
Seat 4: ashley242 ($68.15)
Seat 5: AtomiX_LBD ($50)
Seat 6: Zem52887 ($70.60)
ashley242 posts the small blind of $0.25
AtomiX_LBD posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [Qc Qd]
Zem52887 raises to $1.75
itsasetup folds
Dave101 folds
Rondavu raises to $4.50
itsasetup stands up
ashley242 folds
AtomiX_LBD folds
Zem52887 calls $2.75
*** FLOP *** [6c 8c 4s]
Zem52887 checks
Rondavu bets $7
Zem52887 raises to $19
Rondavu calls $12
*** TURN *** [6c 8c 4s] [Ts]
Zem52887 has 15 seconds left to act
Zem52887 checks
Rondavu bets $88.55, and is all in
Zem52887 has 15 seconds left to act
Zem52887 folds
Uncalled bet of $88.55 returned to Rondavu
Rondavu mucks
Rondavu wins the pot ($45.40)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $47.75 | Rake $2.35
Board: [6c 8c 4s Ts]
Seat 1: itsasetup didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Dave101 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Rondavu (button) collected ($45.40), mucked
Seat 4: ashley242 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: AtomiX_LBD (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Zem52887 folded on the Turn
vqc: this may be one of my leaks, but I would tend to 3 bet the flop. does flat calling here give you a better indication of a set? What was your plan on the turn if he had led out?

Originally Posted by Rondavu

More Hands

Full Tilt Poker Game #923135182: Table Ivanhoe (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:28:05 ET - 2006/08/22
Seat 1: Dave101 ($54.30)
Seat 2: crovax4444 ($49.50)
Seat 3: Rondavu ($141.85)
Seat 4: vlaka1 ($45.95)
Seat 5: The UniBonger ($40.15)
Seat 6: thegeoffman ($58.35)
crovax4444 posts the small blind of $0.25
Rondavu posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [6s 8s]
vlaka1 calls $0.50
The UniBonger raises to $2.25
thegeoffman folds
Dave101 folds
crovax4444 folds
Rondavu calls $1.75
vlaka1 calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [4d 2s 9s]
Rondavu checks
vlaka1 checks
The UniBonger bets $3
Rondavu raises to $7
vlaka1 folds
The UniBonger calls $4
*** TURN *** [4d 2s 9s] [2h]
Rondavu bets $10
The UniBonger folds
Uncalled bet of $10 returned to Rondavu
Rondavu mucks
Rondavu wins the pot ($19.95)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21 | Rake $1.05
Board: [4d 2s 9s 2h]
Seat 1: Dave101 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: crovax4444 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Rondavu (big blind) collected ($19.95), mucked
Seat 4: vlaka1 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: The UniBonger folded on the Turn
Seat 6: thegeoffman didn't bet (folded)
vqc: playing 68s oop is bad

Full Tilt Poker Game #923152593: Table Ivanhoe (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:46:35 ET - 2006/08/22
Seat 1: Dave101 ($65.85)
Seat 2: crovax4444 ($45.95)
Seat 3: Rondavu ($141.40)
Seat 4: bjodan ($49.50)
Seat 5: abby42 ($25.20)
Seat 6: thegeoffman ($51.10)
bjodan posts the small blind of $0.25
abby42 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [3s 3h]
thegeoffman folds
Dave101 calls $0.50
crovax4444 folds
Rondavu calls $0.50
bjodan calls $0.25
abby42 checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 6s 3c]
bjodan checks
abby42 bets $2
Dave101 folds
Rondavu raises to $6
bjodan folds
abby42 calls $4
*** TURN *** [8h 6s 3c] [3d]
abby42 bets $9.50
Rondavu calls $9.50
*** RIVER *** [8h 6s 3c 3d] [4c]
abby42 bets $9.20, and is all in
Rondavu calls $9.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
abby42 shows [Kc 6d] (two pair, Sixes and Threes)
Rondavu shows [3s 3h] (four of a kind, Threes)
Rondavu wins the pot ($48.85) with four of a kind, Threes
abby42 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $51.40 | Rake $2.55
Board: [8h 6s 3c 3d 4c]
Seat 1: Dave101 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: crovax4444 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Rondavu (button) showed [3s 3h] and won ($48.85) with four of a kind, Threes
Seat 4: bjodan (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: abby42 (big blind) showed [Kc 6d] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Threes
Seat 6: thegeoffman didn't bet (folded)
vqc: i like to raise this preflop


Full Tilt Poker Game #923162824: Table Ivanhoe (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:57:57 ET - 2006/08/22
Seat 1: Dave101 ($76.85)
Seat 2: crovax4444 ($50.45), is sitting out
Seat 3: Rondavu ($165.15)
Seat 4: bjodan ($40.75)
Seat 5: abby42 ($13.20)
Seat 6: thegeoffman ($48)
abby42 posts the small blind of $0.25
thegeoffman posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [As Kc]
Dave101 folds
Rondavu calls $0.50
bjodan folds
abby42 calls $0.25
thegeoffman checks
*** FLOP *** [Ac 3h 2s]
abby42 checks
crovax4444 has returned
thegeoffman bets $1.50
Rondavu calls $1.50
abby42 calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [Ac 3h 2s] [8h]
abby42 bets $3.50
thegeoffman has 15 seconds left to act
thegeoffman calls $3.50
Rondavu raises to $20
abby42 calls $7.70, and is all in
thegeoffman folds
Rondavu shows [As Kc]
abby42 shows [8d 5s]
Uncalled bet of $8.80 returned to Rondavu
*** RIVER *** [Ac 3h 2s 8h] [9s]
Rondavu shows a pair of Aces
abby42 shows a pair of Eights
Rondavu wins the pot ($30.35) with a pair of Aces
abby42 is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $31.90 | Rake $1.55
Board: [Ac 3h 2s 8h 9s]
Seat 1: Dave101 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: crovax4444 is sitting out
Seat 3: Rondavu showed [As Kc] and won ($30.35) with a pair of Aces
Seat 4: bjodan (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: abby42 (small blind) showed [8d 5s] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: thegeoffman (big blind) folded on the Turn
vqc: rofl

Full Tilt Poker Game #923172371: Table Ivanhoe (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:08:42 ET - 2006/08/22
Seat 1: Dave101 ($73.60)
Seat 2: crovax4444 ($51.15)
Seat 3: Rondavu ($186.10)
Seat 4: bjodan ($39)
Seat 6: thegeoffman ($42.40)
crovax4444 posts the small blind of $0.25
Rondavu posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [Qs Ks]
bjodan folds
thegeoffman folds
Dave101 folds
crovax4444 raises to $1
Rondavu raises to $3
crovax4444 calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Kh 6d Kc]
crovax4444 bets $5
Rondavu raises to $10
crovax4444 folds
Uncalled bet of $5 returned to Rondavu
Rondavu mucks
Rondavu wins the pot ($15.20)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16 | Rake $0.80
Board: [Kh 6d Kc]
Seat 1: Dave101 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: crovax4444 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Rondavu (big blind) collected ($15.20), mucked
Seat 4: bjodan didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: thegeoffman didn't bet (folded)

Originally Posted by vqc

Full Tilt Poker Game #921656468: Table St Rose (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:41:12 ET - 2006/08/21
Seat 1: No Huevos ($45.75)
Seat 2: Bud3008 ($18.75)
Seat 3: Rondavu ($59.15)
Seat 4: Givemepaper ($14.75)
Seat 5: arianna_67 ($74.85)
Seat 6: Dbone23 ($19.50)
arianna_67 posts the small blind of $0.25
Dbone23 posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Rondavu [4c 4s]
No Huevos folds
Bud3008 folds
Rondavu raises to $1.75
Givemepaper calls $1.75
arianna_67 folds
Dbone23 folds
*** FLOP *** [7s Td Jd]
Rondavu bets $3
Givemepaper calls $3
*** TURN *** [7s Td Jd] [8d]
Rondavu checks
Givemepaper bets $10, and is all in
Rondavu: hmmmm
Rondavu calls $10
Givemepaper shows [Qs Ac]
Rondavu shows [4c 4s]
*** RIVER *** [7s Td Jd 8d] [6s]
Givemepaper shows Ace Queen high
Rondavu shows a pair of Fours
Rondavu wins the pot ($28.75) with a pair of Fours
Givemepaper is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $30.25 | Rake $1.50
Board: [7s Td Jd 8d 6s]
Seat 1: No Huevos didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Bud3008 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Rondavu showed [4c 4s] and won ($28.75) with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: Givemepaper (button) showed [Qs Ac] and lost with Ace Queen high
Seat 5: arianna_67 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Dbone23 (big blind) folded before the Flop

vqc: this looks kinda horrible to me. Do you think he wouldve shoved a hand like JJ or TT preflop? I dont think your ever ahead enough here. What gave you the idea that you should call here?

Originally Posted by vqc

playing 68s oop is bad

Originally Posted by vqc

vqc: if ur gonna minraise you might as well just shove, itll be just as wierd, but the payoff is much better if u gt called. I dont think hes ever calling ur minraise here.

Originally Posted by vqc

Rondavu shows [2h 9h] (a pair of Fives)
Rondavu wins the pot ($12.15)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.75 | Rake $0.60
Board: [5c 5s 6c]
Seat 1: itsasetup didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Dave101 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Rondavu (button) collected ($12.15)
Seat 4: ashley242 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: AtomiX_LBD (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Zem52887 folded on the Flop

vqc: they were suited.

Originally Posted by AHiltz

You have a better chance of making money from a larger raise then you do from a min raise here IMO. The min raise screams "Your ass is mine, so lets bleed a few more out of you". Raise to $20 or so like you're raising for info and are not liking the K's on the flop.

Originally Posted by AHiltz

What are your thoughts here? Most times when the flop, turn and river bets are the same amount, they have a hand, but not a very good one. Are you not raising so that you get to showdown and prove you're a hard one to knock off a hand, or are you reading his weakness as strength? How often do you raise the river to $30, or even shove?

Originally Posted by Rondavu

I wanna make sure the purpose of this hand is not lost. The reason I did this was to manufacture an assault on a thinking high stack I had a mission to tilt. I was taunting him here on purpose.

Originally Posted by vqc

i understand the whole preflop doesnt matter thing.
BUT:
in the 68s hand the villlian doesnt even have a full stack

if the two of u had a million dolalrs behind then the play is obv ok
if the two of you had 6 dollars behind, then the play is obv bad.
i dont think you have good enough implied odds to be playing 86s oop. but thats just me.

Originally Posted by vqc

i understand the whole preflop doesnt matter thing.
BUT:
in the 68s hand the villlian doesnt even have a full stack

if the two of u had a million dolalrs behind then the play is obv ok
if the two of you had 6 dollars behind, then the play is obv bad.
i dont think you have good enough implied odds to be playing 86s oop. but thats just me.

Originally Posted by Rondavu

I don't play hands like 68s OOP too much more than you do to be honest. This is just something I do once in a while to be a loose little bitch. I'm capable of anything at any time, but I sure don't do it all the time. Of course I felt the one time I did was worthy of this thread. In general, I make good smart positional decisions with a touch of WTF did he just showdown.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 3: I don't get the turn blocker.