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Warpe
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06-13-2006, 03:04 AM
Post subject: River raise multi-way
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Obvious flush draw, paired board and I catch my boat on the turn, but both opponents seem to like their hands. Comments on turn play, river?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
Hero ($99)
MP2 ($218.37)
MP3 ($88.50)
CO ($76.30)
Button ($17.50)
SB ($94.05)
BB ($62.96)
UTG ($86.35)
UTG+1 ($179.28)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8 , 8 . SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, 4 folds, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($4) 6 , 4, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $3.
Turn: ($13) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $10, Hero calls $10, SB calls $10.
River: ($43) A (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets $20, Hero raises to $60, SB calls $60, UTG+1 calls $40.
Final Pot: $223
Results in white below:
SB has Js Ks (flush, king high).
UTG+1 has 2s Qs (flush, queen high).
Hero has 8d 8c (full house, eights full of fours).
Outcome: Hero wins $223.
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Fnord
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You left money on the table.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
You left money on the table.
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I think I came out ahead.
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
You left money on the table.
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I think I came out ahead. |
Don't think you could have gotten both stacks?
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Warpe
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I think Q high likely folds to a push. I called the turn instead of raising to see if he'd stay, and when he did then I thought I might be facing flush over flush or maybe a lower boat. He checked both the turn and the river so he had to be nervous about a higher flush, so I sized my river raise to make it hefty but "callable". That was my thinking anyway...
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mxiu
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Eh, going to 60 wasn't bad or anything. I think the ace on the river makes it easier for them to call a push though.
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mxiu
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Originally Posted by Warpe
I think Q high likely folds to a push. I called the turn instead of raising to see if he'd stay, and when he did then I thought I might be facing flush over flush or maybe a lower boat. He checked both the turn and the river so he had to be nervous about a higher flush, so I sized my river raise to make it hefty but "callable". That was my thinking anyway...
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Q high also called Q2s in UTG+1.
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Fnord
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On the turn I really want to build a stackable bet on the river. How often do you think you really get an over-call anyway?
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Fnord
On the turn I really want to build a stackable bet on the river. How often do you think you really get an over-call anyway?
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I really can't answer that. This situation seemed unusual to me for some reason.
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mxiu
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Well, the most obvious draw was completed, and the check/caller led out on the turn... I doubt they fold if you raise to 30, which is more than the 10 you make off of SB. Raise the turn goot?
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Once we gin the turn my thought process is:
He likes his hand a lot
We have the second nuts
How do we take his stack?
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Aces
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Originally Posted by Fnord
We have the second nuts
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Not that it necessarily changes the play, but isn't that 4th nuts(behind AA, 44, 75s)?
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EricE
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Originally Posted by Fnord
On the turn I really want to build a stackable bet on the river. How often do you think you really get an over-call anyway?
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Not often enough. Pick the big stack and go after it.
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samsonite2100
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Warpe--these guys are right about raising the turn. As played, I think you should've just pushed the river. Raising to $60 only left $20 in SB's stack. If he'd call that, you've gotta think he'd call a push, and furthermore, you know UTG+1 has the stack to call off the additional chips once you have SB all in.
That said, this is definitely one of those unusual hands where I can see myself being at a bit of a loss. I think you played it okay.
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Originally Posted by Aces
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Originally Posted by Fnord
We have the second nuts
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Not that it necessarily changes the play, but isn't that 4th nuts(behind AA, 44, 75s)? |
Ace didn't hit until the river.
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Aces
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Aces
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Originally Posted by Fnord
We have the second nuts
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Not that it necessarily changes the play, but isn't that 4th nuts(behind AA, 44, 75s)? |
Ace didn't hit until the river. |
 Yup, acually 3rd nuts then.
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i raise that turn every time, flush pays you immediately. I also probably push the river.
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Precisely.
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