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ripjohngotti

08-23-2006, 08:24 PM Post subject: Reraising AK preflop from The Blinds, Do you always follow .

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Table Thessaloniki, 23 Aug 2006 02:52 PM
View Previous hand for this table.
Seat 1: bedaman ($61.45 in chips)
Seat 6: freddy7645 ($19.35 in chips)
Seat 7: RIPJohnGotti [AH,KH] ($117.15 in chips)
Seat 8: igotthenut37 ($46.75 in chips)
Seat 9: rstoner19 ($7.75 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
RIPJohnGotti posts blind ($0.25), igotthenut37 posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP
rstoner19 calls $0.50, bedaman folds, freddy7645 bets $2.50, RIPJohnGotti bets $4.50, igotthenut37 folds, rstoner19 folds, freddy7645 calls $2.25.

FLOP [board cards 10D,3C,8H ]
RIPJohnGotti checks, freddy7645 bets $5, RIPJohnGotti folds.

SHOWDOWN
freddy7645 wins $15.

Do you always follow through with a continuation bet when u reraise ak preflop it puts you in all sorts of probelms?

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08-23-2006, 08:31 PM

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I would re-raise more pre-flop. You raised less than 1/2 pot. I'd make it $6 or $7. And definitely follow through with a c-bet on the flop. With this guy only sitting with 40BB I'm willing to gamble with AKs all day, even when the flop misses me.

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08-23-2006, 08:38 PM

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I usually just call from the blinds PF when it has been raised already......I dont want to play OOP in a reraised pot without a strong hand.....but maybe thats just me.

Most likely because I am a pussy c-betting into a large pot, and would have done as you did......but as played a c-bet is necessary.

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08-23-2006, 08:38 PM

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If you reraise a proper amount PF, i.e. ~$8, postflop becomes easier. And yes, cbet this flop. You just basically handed the guy $5.

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08-23-2006, 08:39 PM

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I usually just call from the blinds PF when it has been raised already......I dont want to play OOP in a reraised pot without a strong hand.....but maybe thats just me.

AK suited isn't strong enough for you? I reraise here all day.

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08-23-2006, 08:41 PM

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I usually just call from the blinds PF when it has been raised already......I dont want to play OOP in a reraised pot without a strong hand.....but maybe thats just me.

AK suited isn't strong enough for you? I reraise here all day.

Well, of course its strong, but I like to see a flop with it......the best play is probably a reraise, but I dont think its too far out of the question just calling.

I reraise in every other position, I just dont like doing it out of the blinds for some reason.

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08-23-2006, 09:20 PM

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I re-raise more PF and lead on pretty much any flop.

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08-23-2006, 09:20 PM

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Blinds if you think of it are better you can get him off the hand, good fold equity. Heh.

What about AQ here? Would u attempt a reraise or only reraise with aq in position, im thinking the latter.

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08-23-2006, 09:23 PM

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Blinds if you think of it are better you can get him off the hand, good fold equity. Heh.

What about AQ here? Would u attempt a reraise or only reraise with aq in position, im thinking the latter.

I would usually just call a raise with AQ OOP.

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08-23-2006, 09:26 PM

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I could also agree with Bobby, depends how Im doing to just flat call preflop with the AK and see a flop. The play on any level is beyond comprehension how bad they suck.

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08-23-2006, 09:27 PM

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What about AQ here? Would u attempt a reraise or only reraise with aq in position, im thinking the latter.

At full-ring it's read-dependent, but I'll re-raise AQs from the blinds against most LP raisers. At 6-max it seems like an even easier decision.

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08-23-2006, 09:38 PM

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I could also agree with Bobby, depends how Im doing to just flat call preflop with the AK and see a flop. The play on any level is beyond comprehension how bad they suck.

Which is why you should be raising and reraising their sucky hands with premium hands like AK suited.

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08-23-2006, 09:41 PM

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I could also agree with Bobby, depends how Im doing to just flat call preflop with the AK and see a flop. The play on any level is beyond comprehension how bad they suck.

Which is why you should be raising and reraising their sucky hands with premium hands like AK suited.

This could also swing the other way however, if they are loose postflop as well, why risk more chips then necessary if they are going to pay you off on the flops you do hit and save you more on the ones you dont?

however, if they are only loose preflop, reraising is the best option.

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08-23-2006, 10:14 PM

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Think about why are you making the plays you are and what you are respresenting.

I don't mind flat-calling with AK out of the blinds. If you're going to re-raise though you generally need to fire out again regardless of if the flop hits you or not. Why pump more money into a pot if you're just going to give up on a flop that will miss you more often than not? If you're not willing to fire on a missed flop then I think you're better off just calling.

If you're going to re-raise though then you need to be raising more than the minimum. Your min-raise gives the original raiser more than 3:1 to call. With position that call is a no-brainer in most circumstances. The call is even that much easier against someone that doesn't always follow through with a c-bet. The min-raise has little/no fold equity so you're simply building a pot that you're going to play out of position.

You also need to always be aware of what you're representing. When you 3-bet out of the blinds you're representing a lot of strength.

Now what is your opponent representing? You can probably assume he doesn't have a monster hand when he just calls your raise.

So you're representing a lot of strength, and he's representing not so much. Sounds like a great spot to make a continuation bet to me! If you make a strong 3-bet preflop and follow it up with a solid continuation bet you're opponent is going to have to flop hard in most circumstances if he's going to call you.

FullTiltPoker Game #817282577: Table Artesia (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:47:13 ET - 2006/07/21
Seat 1: harleyhats ($436.10)
Seat 2: primemutton ($467.20)
Seat 3: BEACHSIDE ($528.10)
Seat 4: idoc ($119.30)
Seat 5: NutsInYoEye ($400)
Seat 6: LAMEKING ($469.70)
idoc posts the small blind of $2
NutsInYoEye posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NutsInYoEye [Ks As]
LAMEKING raises to $8
harleyhats calls $8
primemutton calls $8
BEACHSIDE calls $8
idoc folds
NutsInYoEye raises to $50
LAMEKING calls $42
harleyhats has 15 seconds left to act
harleyhats: what to do
harleyhats folds
primemutton folds
BEACHSIDE folds
*** FLOP *** [4h Jc Tc]
NutsInYoEye bets $90
LAMEKING folds
Uncalled bet of $90 returned to NutsInYoEye
NutsInYoEye mucks
NutsInYoEye wins the pot ($123)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $126 | Rake $3
Board: [4h Jc Tc]
Seat 1: harleyhats folded before the Flop
Seat 2: primemutton folded before the Flop
Seat 3: BEACHSIDE (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: idoc (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: NutsInYoEye (big blind) collected ($123), mucked
Seat 6: LAMEKING folded on the Flop

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($656.60)
Button ($172.30)
Hero ($396)
BB ($556.40)
UTG ($156)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, K

.
UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $28, 1 fold, UTG calls $20.

Flop: ($60) J

, 4

, J

(2 players)
Hero bets $40, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $100

FullTiltPoker Game #893774196: Table Summit Grove - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:57:33 ET - 2006/08/13
Seat 1: WickedWie ($206)
Seat 2: snapshot19 ($257.40)
Seat 3: shenandoahkid ($163)
Seat 4: NutsInYoEye ($198)
Seat 5: Arlando ($116)
Seat 6: Hummer141 ($40)
Seat 7: fjtfro ($298.40)
Seat 8: Roofus Cash ($200)
Seat 9: 505NINJA ($57.90)
NutsInYoEye posts the small blind of $1
Arlando posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NutsInYoEye [Kc Ac]
fjtfro folds
Roofus Cash raises to $6
505NINJA folds
WickedWie folds
snapshot19 folds
shenandoahkid folds
NutsInYoEye raises to $20
Chip Stevens (Observer): roofus aim
Arlando folds
Roofus Cash calls $14
*** FLOP *** [Td 6s 4d]
NutsInYoEye bets $42
Roofus Cash has 15 seconds left to act
Roofus Cash folds
Uncalled bet of $42 returned to NutsInYoEye
NutsInYoEye mucks
NutsInYoEye wins the pot ($39.90)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $42 | Rake $2.10
Board: [Td 6s 4d]
Seat 1: WickedWie didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: snapshot19 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: shenandoahkid (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: NutsInYoEye (small blind) collected ($39.90), mucked
Seat 5: Arlando (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Hummer141 is sitting out
Seat 7: fjtfro didn't bet (folded)

FullTiltPoker Game #921309516: Table Gateway (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:58:49 ET - 2006/08/21
Seat 1: NutsInYoEye ($449.90)
Seat 3: tj2006 ($147)
Seat 4: ChpLdr8 ($95.60)
Seat 5: boocks ($1,021.60)
Seat 6: nymits10 ($1,227.70)
NutsInYoEye posts the small blind of $2
tj2006 posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NutsInYoEye [Ah Qs]
ChpLdr8 folds
boocks calls $4
nymits10 raises to $18
NutsInYoEye raises to $58
tj2006 folds
boocks folds
nymits10 calls $40
*** FLOP *** [3d 7c 7h]
NutsInYoEye bets $110
nymits10: $%$
nymits10 has 15 seconds left to act
nymits10: sick laydown
nymits: sdlkcbgwsdghcfsd;hf
nymits10 folds
Uncalled bet of $110 returned to NutsInYoEye
NutsInYoEye mucks
NutsInYoEye wins the pot ($121)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $124 | Rake $3
Board: [3d 7c 7h]
Seat 1: NutsInYoEye (small blind) collected ($121), mucked
Seat 3: tj2006 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: ChpLdr8 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: boocks folded before the Flop
Seat 6: nymits10 (button) folded on the Flop

The guy said he had QQ. If so, he had me in a world of hurt. At the very least I think he had AQ as well or a smaller PP. Regardless, my aggression allowed me to steal a pot where I was very likely way behind.

A lot of people are scared to be aggressive and find it difficult to do. It can actually make your decisions very easy though. If I'm called on any of these hands I likely shut down. If I'm raised it's an easy fold. If you play the hands where you hit the same way, it's very hard for an opponent to know the difference.

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08-23-2006, 10:19 PM

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Great post DNuts.

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08-23-2006, 10:25 PM

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I hear ya man. What im afraid of is some donk overplaying midpair and pushing. Then what. Ive gotta call.

At least ive got 6 outs!

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08-23-2006, 10:35 PM

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After re-raising pre-flop your c-bet will get a fold a lot more than 50% of the time in my experience (assuming a typical opponent and your table image isn't out of line.) Hence you want to leverage that. Getting called by someone with a false expection of implied odds is wildly profitable.

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ripjohngotti, after reading your other posts, I think you're playing scared. You need to take a break and get your head str8.

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whenever you reraise preflop, a cont bet is going to be taken a lot more seriously. just bet the flop and he'll give u credit for jj+ the board is totally harmless; no straight/flush draws. cbetting here is very +ev

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I usually just call from the blinds PF when it has been raised already......I dont want to play OOP in a reraised pot without a strong hand.....but maybe thats just me.

AK suited isn't strong enough for you? I reraise here all day.

Stop being weak.
The reraising range is so tight at small stakes NL holdem that reraising is a statement itself. More often its about whether the other guy wants to stack off 75% of the time here when we have him crushed by QQ+ and not whiffed AK.

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