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Fnord
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10-14-2005, 04:35 AM
Post subject: Reads Only week *canceled*
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Unless significant resistance is met, the week of 10/17 any cash game hand that does not include at least something to effect of "I just sat down" will be locked, I will link this post and mock the orginal poster.
Stuff to include:
What range is your opponent playing like that pre-flop?
How aggressive are they post-flop? Do they like to call?
How aggro have you been? What might your table image be?
How is the table playing?
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gabe
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not that i post much here, but sounds fun!
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Pingviini
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This will definitely be good practise but I am afraid that I might have to go back to two tabling, I just cant get any reads when I quad. I just noticed that for me quading TAG being more profitable than LAGGing two tables.
Fnord, you seem to have strong solid opinions and thoughts that at least I havent considered thinking. It would be really good if you could also give us NLHE guys some hands you think are educational with reads so that we could learn how to post in our forums. and to play ring even better.
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"Poker is a simple math game" -Aba20
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Fnord
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I'm not asking for much. A VP$IP/PFR split is at least a start...
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Originally Posted by Pingviini
I just noticed that for me quading TAG being more profitable than LAGGing two tables.
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Interesting. Are enough of your hands routine and/or are enough of your opponents playing the same way?
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arkana
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Yes if we want to improve the quality of the forum we really do need to improve the quality of the threads. HHs need to be cleaned, if the converter doesn't work then do it by hand.
The same goes for responses, if you can't add any new insight to the thread don't post (for example posting fold preflop after someone has already stated that without giving any reasons).
Statements need to be justified.
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Fnord
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Some example hands:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=20603
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=19038
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...hlight=#114094
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Pingviini
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I'm not asking for much. A VP$IP/PFR split is at least a start...
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Originally Posted by Pingviini
I just noticed that for me quading TAG being more profitable than LAGGing two tables.
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Interesting. Are enough of your hands routine and/or are enough of your opponents playing the same way? |
I havent ever been that good getting reads, unless the opponents are ultimately passive or aggressive I am pretty good guessing where I stand, I dont really have a certain routine way of playing hands but I can get a feel of the table and _some_ players overall playing habits, ie. if they are too loose, too weak PF and after and I adjust my play accordingly. It isnt that much of a conscious thing. Also playing 4 tables keeps my head straight and I dont start playing marginal hands and trying to force things. If I try to play like Michael1123 that just ends to a catastrophy, there is no way I can play that good post flop which is essential if you really LAG it off. I play nl200 full nowadays.
Back to start, could you give us some good examples Fnord. You know what you want to see so you should know what to give, too.
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arkana
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Argh how did I end up in the limit forum. Master tricked us.
Or are you implying that there are no good NL threads?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by arkana
Or are you implying that there are no good NL threads?
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Can you find some great Hand History posts? What made them great?
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Pingviini
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Umm, I ment NLHE ring hands from you. You are just telling us how bad our HH's are (which I agree) but I havent any from you either. I will personally try to get some good simple example hands of my play when I get home and start grinding again.
I have heard that you are really good at getting reads and you have good notes, how many LHE tables do you play at once, how many NLHE tables?
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LeFou
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10-14-2005, 02:11 PM
Post subject: Re: Reads Only week starts 10/17
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Unless significant resistance is met, the week of 10/17 any cash game hand that does not include at least something to effect of "I just sat down" will be locked, I will link this post and mock the orginal poster.
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Thanks for warning me in advance. 
Seriously, though, I think compared to you and the other high-volume players most of us have always "just sat down".
e.g.: nowadays I 3- or 4-table 25 & 50NL at empire. My sessions are rarely > 500 hands total. which means 125 hands/12 orbits at each table.
Now in that space you can easily spot a guy like
"UTG+1 is playing 75% of his hand and loves to donk bet"
but
"He's playing a good but loose mix of hands, raising a fair share up and picking good spots to get aggro"
?????????? Boy would I LOVE to know this, but after 5 orbits I've probably seen him in 15 flops (if he's seeing 25%) and show down 5 times ... and 4 of those will be boring (e.g. he showed down top pair). And as noted before, if I'm quadding it's often not possible to notice that much.
All I usually know is when I've got a note on a player that I caught heshe playing J5s for a raise in LP.
(I feel at liberty to take up some time here 'cause I think it was my flush-draw posts that prompted this. I'll move the rest of my thoughts to a non-announcement thread.)
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Fnord
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VERY interesting.... Played some NL50 this morning and I think I get it now...
Thanks everyone.
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Jimmy Mac
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Wow... reads only week is killed at birth. I think that's a shame 
I have to admit, I have found it difficult to get reads when multitabling. Since getting Gametime sorted out, it's helped loads. It makes it easy for me to spot the rocks and loose passives, and i can concentrate on postflop tendencies a little more.
I'm far too tired to play properly today, but I'm intending to post some hands soon.
With reads 
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