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Old 05-30-2005, 09:14 AM     Post subject: raising with position to stifle nonsense #1 (permalink)  
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I recently (1 minute ago) had a hand that went something like this..

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$25 NL Hold'em - Monday, May 30, 05:08:42 EDT 2005
Table Table 36877 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Jefftgiver ( $25 )
Seat 2: Kutura1 ( $24.65 )
Seat 3: Hormones ( $23.27 )
Seat 4: ncat3k ( $29.95 )
Seat 5: soco928 ( $4.45 )
Seat 6: jaxbac ( $23.5 )
Seat 7: DocRaoulDuke ( $76.45 )
Seat 9: ckolkman ( $23.43 )
Seat 10: flexmagic ( $45.67 )
Seat 8: BlackEcstasy ( $25 )
Hormones posts small blind [$0.1].
ncat3k posts big blind [$0.25].
BlackEcstasy posts big blind [$0.25].
Jefftgiver posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to BlackEcstasy [ Qc 3d ]
soco928 folds.
jaxbac folds.
DocRaoulDuke calls [$0.25].
BlackEcstasy checks.
ckolkman folds.
flexmagic folds.
Jefftgiver checks.
Kutura1 folds.
Hormones folds.
ncat3k checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 2s, Qs ]
ncat3k has been reconnected and has 20 seconds to act.
ncat3k checks.
DocRaoulDuke checks.
BlackEcstasy bets [$0.5].
Jefftgiver folds.
ncat3k has been reconnected and has 20 seconds to act.
ncat3k folds.
DocRaoulDuke calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
DocRaoulDuke bets [$1].
BlackEcstasy raises [$2].
DocRaoulDuke calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
DocRaoulDuke checks.
BlackEcstasy checks.
DocRaoulDuke shows [ Ks, Th ] high card king.
BlackEcstasy shows [ Qc, 3d ] a pair of queens.
BlackEcstasy wins $5.8 from the main pot with a pair of queens.
>You have options at Table 37292 Table!.

Now i had top pair with crappy kicker and 3 other limpers, so obviously i was worried i was outgunned. Nevertheless, I made a rather wimpy looking bet on the flop and got one caller, conviently the guy right behind me (I suspect he called because he saw no one else call).

Of course, I was worried he had me beat, or he was going to hit his draw, but when the turn didnt bring any obvious draw hits I was a little happier.

However he bets into me on the turn, which had me worried. Did he have me outkicked? Was he trying to setup a bluff on the river? So I came with this nice idea which was to minraise him another dollar. The idea was if he was drawing he'd have to pay more. If he had a good hand I'd get reraised and I'd know to fold. Most importantly, after calling my raise it would look very awkward on his part to make a large bet on the river unless an obvious draw hit. He was forced to check instead of trying to steal the pot (which might have worked) and I then checked too and ended up winning. This type of raise only works with position though, as in reverse the onus would be on you to make a bet on the river.

Any thoughts? Anyone seen this talked about before?

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Old 05-30-2005, 11:32 AM #2 (permalink)  
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nice freaking reasoning.
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Old 05-30-2005, 02:07 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 05-30-2005, 03:19 PM #4 (permalink)  
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The only thing I'd change is to possibly make the reraise a tad bigger. Your reasoning is perfect though. Good job.
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Old 05-30-2005, 06:30 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the insight.....I can add this one to my bag of tools, which is still quite small BTW.
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