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Vrax

04-28-2006, 02:41 AM Post subject: Raise the turn?

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Join Date: May 2005

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I feel I pussied out on turn, raise it or go for cheap showdown?

What about river bet?

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Hand #280781545 at table: Table TH Mini
Started: Fri Apr 28 04:33:21 2006

fxtp is at seat 1 with 36.40
GypsyD is at seat 2 with 57.02
PokerHero is at seat 3 with 25.25
bedstemor is at seat 4 with 53.05
ShyTown is at seat 5 with 74.86
_Vrax_ is at seat 6 with 30.15
Poker Monk is at seat 7 with 25.68
Chhun is at seat 8 with 6.38
banginman is at seat 9 with 26.18
dominik81 is at seat 10 with 9.27

Chhun posts the large blind 0.25
Poker Monk posts the small blind 0.12

Poker Monk: --, --
Chhun: --, --
dominik81: --, --
fxtp: --, --
GypsyD: --, --
PokerHero: --, --
bedstemor: --, --
ShyTown: --, --
_Vrax_: Kd, Kh

Pre-flop:

dominik81: Call 0.25
fxtp: Fold
GypsyD: Call 0.25
PokerHero: Fold
bedstemor: Fold
ShyTown: Fold
_Vrax_: Raise 1.00
Poker Monk: Fold
Chhun: Call 1.00
dominik81: Call 1.00
GypsyD: Call 1.00

Flop (Board: 2c, 3s, Qh):

Chhun: Check
dominik81: Bet 0.75
GypsyD: Call 0.75
_Vrax_: Raise 4.50
Chhun: Call 4.50
dominik81: Fold
GypsyD: Call 4.50

Turn (Board: 2c, 3s, Qh, 9d):

Chhun: All in
GypsyD: Call 1.13
_Vrax_: Call 1.13

River (Board: 2c, 3s, Qh, 9d, Ks):

GypsyD: Check
_Vrax_: Bet 6.00
GypsyD: Fold

Showdown:

_Vrax_ shows: Kd, Kh (three of a kind, Kings)
Chhun (shortie) shows: 9h, As (a pair of Nines)

Mainpot:
_Vrax_ wins the pot of 20.71 with three of a kind, Kings

(1.05 rake were taken for this hand)

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bair

04-28-2006, 03:53 AM

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yes, raise more preflop

dpe8598

04-28-2006, 06:31 AM

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Posts: 261

You did get a lot of callers. I'm not sure what that table was like, but raise whatever you think will get called by 1 or 2 people. If you can get a good chunk of money in preflop, play for stacks post flop. If not, control the pot post flop. It looks like you are playing a weak/passive/calling station game. Here, I would raise a lot preflop and push push push. There are definitely times to control the pots w/ overpairs and protect your stack though.

Vrax

04-28-2006, 07:43 AM

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Thanks for feedback, yeah I was more concerned about winning decent pot from pair of queens, flop raise was mostly value raise, I'm known of doing that stuff with unimproved overs. Flop was fairly safe (small straight draw), turn card was a bit scary and there could be always a set lurking.

I called the turn nor raising, safe play and assumption that villain will not try to bluff me off the hand in dry sidepot.

K gave me second nuts (dismissed possibility of JT) and put hefty value bet against possible 2-pair/lower set hands but he probably had lone queen or busted small straight draw.

I'm still thinking if popping the turn to 1/2 pot and checking behind unimproved would got me more value against top pair hands. Add to that calling station factor.

Thoughts?

edit.

The table was full of calling stations but I was 4-tabling and playing nit poker, so no reads.

edit2. Yes, i agree, this hand is boring. Yawn.

"How could I call that bet? How could you MAKE that bet? It's poker not solitaire. " - that Gus Bronson guy

natdang

04-28-2006, 10:55 AM

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Join Date: Nov 2005

Location: Los Angeles

Posts: 380

Yeah, I sometimes call oop with big hands, hoping to get a few people trailing me to get a few more bets in the pot. But since you have position here, I raise the turn. Unless you think that by calling you will get future action on the river (not the case). Not many draws out on the board though, you're fairly safe.

::edit:: i meant turn, not flop.

AHiltz

04-28-2006, 01:00 PM

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Join Date: Mar 2005

Location: Coldbrook, NS

Posts: 1,589

What do you hope to accomplish on the turn? Are you calling cause it looks cool, or do you feel that you have the best hand?

Ignoring the guy who allined for $1.13 on the turn, the other guy HAS to know that you like your hand by the size bet you made on the flop. He could easily jack this up knowing that you like your hand and get more money from you if he has a set or something. You need to get some info here.

At this point, you are either way ahead of something like AQ, or way behind a set. Raise the turn, do not call it.

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