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Old 06-16-2006, 12:03 AM     Post subject: Raise, Call, Fold? #1 (permalink)  

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This seems to happen to me alot I think I have the best hand. I raise, get called, get raised, call, get raised and fold. What do I do in situations like this do I call the river bet or just fold on the turn? I just sat down at this table a few hands ago, and I don't know why I limped here, probably miss clicked but anyway.

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UTG+1 ($11.50)
MP1 ($43.55)
MP2 ($14)
MP3 ($25)
CO ($9.40)
Hero ($24.65)
SB ($25.50)
BB ($25.10)
UTG ($12.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 9.
UTG calls $0.25, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) T, 5, A (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.75, SB calls $0.75, BB folds, UTG calls $0.75.

Turn: ($3.25) 2 (3 players)
SB bets $3, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.

River: ($9.25) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $16.25

One more, agian only a few hands in. When do I call or fold here?

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SB ($9.75)
BB ($7.10)
UTG ($28.05)
MP1 ($29.60)
Hero ($24.75)
CO ($9.50)
Button ($23)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, K.
UTG calls $0.25, MP1 raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $1.25, CO raises to $5, 3 folds, UTG folds, MP1 raises to $29.6, Hero calls $23.50 (All-In), CO calls $4.50 (All-In).

Flop: ($64.45) 8, 3, T (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($64.45) 7 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($64.45) T (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $64.45
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Old 06-16-2006, 12:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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First hand--If you insist on playing A9o, don't limp it on the button in an unraised pot. I probably give it up on the turn. Pot is not big enough for a pissing match.

Second hand--You are up against QQ/JJ/TT/AK as often as you are AA at $25 NL. I call this as well. It could even be AQ/AJ trying to isolate against shorty. NH sir. Not to say I haven't destacked by doing this a few times, but I think at this level, unless you have a read or stats saying opp is a total rock, I call it all day.
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Hand 1: Yeah, sometimes I ignore the fact that I really shouldn't play Ax, and then it gets me in trouble. I'd only stay in with a read that he likes to stay in with Ax. SB, being out of position, would have been correct to limp A10-AK preflop, I think.

Hand 2: MP1 min-raised, then after two reraises, goes all-in. I'd be surprised if he doesn't have AA. Either that or he just sucks, but even if he does suck, you've got CO to worry about.
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Old 06-16-2006, 12:36 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 hand2 is a non-decision. Get all the chips in the middle at 25nl regardless here imo
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Old 06-16-2006, 12:41 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I think it is against God's master plan to fold KK preflop at $25 NL
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:02 AM #6 (permalink)  

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Well, from my experience (which isn't that much) I haven't seen many people go all-in preflop with crap hands. Yeah, you'll see occasional maniacs do it, plus the guys who'll randomly go all-in and fold out all the limpers. Shorter stacks, I'd call. Seen this guy over-value his hand before, maybe call. But when the biggest stack decides to put all his money on the line, with two other re-raisers, I've got to give him some credit.
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:16 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Well, from my experience (which isn't that much) I haven't seen many people go all-in preflop with crap hands. Yeah, you'll see occasional maniacs do it, plus the guys who'll randomly go all-in and fold out all the limpers. Shorter stacks, I'd call. Seen this guy over-value his hand before, maybe call. But when the biggest stack decides to put all his money on the line, with two other re-raisers, I've got to give him some credit.
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:20 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:22 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Wait a minute, there, buster...LOL
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:39 AM #11 (permalink)  

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OK so just to let you know on the second hand both players had AA.
The first hand is the one I'm really concerned about. What should i do in situations like this post flop, when I have hands like TPTK and what not? What do I do on the turn when a brick falls, or a scare card? What about the river? When do i stay with the hand and when do I let it go?
Here's a simular type of hand.

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BB ($13.15)
UTG ($42.40)
UTG+1 ($24.40)
MP1 ($18.90)
Hero ($25.10)
CO ($28.15)
Button ($27.45)
SB ($20.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, K.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) K, Q, T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2.

Turn: ($6.35) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.5, BB calls $4.50.

River: ($15.35) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $5.65, Hero calls $0.65.

Final Pot: $26.65
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:43 AM #12 (permalink)  
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First hand--If you insist on playing A9o, don't limp it on the button in an unraised pot.
It's fine. I thought the turn call was worse.
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Old 06-16-2006, 02:01 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Why not raise PF when you likely have the best hand?

Doesn't that make it easier to believe power A on the flop?

I don't think I call the flop, if I'm not willing to follow through on the turn.

I don't think 2 of spades helped. What do you put villain on?
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Hand 3 I would check behind on river. Flop and turn look ok to me.

That may be weaksauce, though.
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Why not raise PF when you likely have the best hand?
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Doesn't that make it easier to believe power A on the flop?
Why on earth would you like him play his hand almost correctly against you?
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River: ($15.35) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks behind to cut his loses because he is beat

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Well, from my experience (which isn't that much) I haven't seen many people go all-in preflop with crap hands. Yeah, you'll see occasional maniacs do it, plus the guys who'll randomly go all-in and fold out all the limpers. Shorter stacks, I'd call. Seen this guy over-value his hand before, maybe call. But when the biggest stack decides to put all his money on the line, with two other re-raisers, I've got to give him some credit.
Two examples from last night. I got all in preflop with a half buyin the first time. He has AQo. The second time I had 5 buy ins on the table I was on and I got in against a $13 stack and a $20 stack ($25 table). One guy has JJ and one guy has AT soooted. Doesn't matter that the first guy sucks out a straight with my third K, and doesn't matter I lost the second hand to 3 jacks AND a A high flush. I was 72% favorite in the first hand when the money went in and a 55/29/16 favorite when the money went in on the second hand. I made the correct decision.

Moral....NEVER fold KK preflop at low stakes without a WSOP-worthy read.
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Doesn't that make it easier to believe power A on the flop?
Why on earth would you like him play his hand almost correctly against you?
Do you put him on a set or AT? I know we are behind to either one....
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