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Old 03-13-2006, 09:07 PM     Post subject: A question for Fnord (and other shortstack haters) #1 (permalink)  
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I know you love beating on short stacks and now Ive taken it up too. Its amazing what it does for your image. My question is do you put shortie allin here? Hes pretty LAG btw. I thought really hard about it but decided to fold it this time.

PokerStars Game #4276443743: Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2006/03/13 - 17:02:02 (ET)
Table 'Klio II' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: cuncho ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 2: chucky11x ($22.55 in chips)
Seat 3: looksee ($7.90 in chips)
Seat 4: ThudJr ($27.05 in chips)
Seat 6: link0b18c ($13.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Saulus ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Pelion ($27.70 in chips)
Seat 9: glittergulch ($25.05 in chips)
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link0b18c: posts small blind $0.10
Saulus: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pelion [8h 8s]
Pelion: calls $0.25
glittergulch: folds
cuncho: calls $0.25
chucky11x: folds
looksee: raises $1 to $1.25
ThudJr: folds
link0b18c: folds
Saulus: folds
Pelion: folds
cuncho: folds
gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
 
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Old 03-13-2006, 09:15 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 call or probably fold

shorties are allowed to have good hands too
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Old 03-13-2006, 09:20 PM #3 (permalink)  
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This one is about 40/25 .... but only over 20 hands.
gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
 
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Old 03-13-2006, 09:33 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I'd want at least one cold caller in between; then I might chase a set here depending on stacks. As is, it's a fold.
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Old 03-13-2006, 10:23 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I love short stacks! They give away money and almost never put me to a really tough decision. Then again, I'm probably better at figuring out equity stuff on-the-fly than most NLHE players (who aren't used to showing down and raising with a thin edge) because of my LHE background.

Playing for stacks is probably -EV here, but it really depends on how often he's pulling this. Calling and pushing any blank flop might also be an option (too hard not to c/r if you hit your set.)

If it was tens I would push over the top of him all day.

For what it's worth, I've seriously considered if money deeper than 50bb is +EV for me.
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Old 03-14-2006, 01:11 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I've seriously considered if money deeper than 50bb is +EV for me.
I don't get it. Stacks can't be +EV or -EV, only decisions. Clarify?
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Old 03-14-2006, 01:31 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I've seriously considered if money deeper than 50bb is +EV for me.
I don't get it. Stacks can't be +EV or -EV, only decisions. Clarify?
I think he's saying (in terms of eV):
50bb >> 100bb >> 200bb

(i.e. deciding to play 50bb will make him more money than deciding to play 100bb, because the strength of his post-flop skills lies in assessing equity.)
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Old 03-14-2006, 01:53 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I don't get it. Stacks can't be +EV or -EV, only decisions. Clarify?
The power of the all-in. Certain stack sizes punish you less for gambling with marginal post-flop hands.
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Old 03-14-2006, 02:16 PM #9 (permalink)  
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If you have a full stack on a shorthanded table and most of your opps have 50% stacks or less, are you sitting in a +EV or -EV situation?
Or maybe I should rephrase:
Is Party Poker 6max +EV or -EV?
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