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Old 08-30-2006, 09:40 AM     Post subject: Quads, push the river? #1 (permalink)  
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $15
Hero: $102.50
UTG+2: $283.50
MP1: $80.27
MP2: $97.25
MP3: $58
CO: $40.97
Button: $107.25
SB: $101.75
BB: $102


Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 2 2
UTG calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 raises to $5, 4 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.


Flop: 2 T T ($21.5, 4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks.


Turn: 2 ($21.5, 4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets $7, UTG folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.


River: 7 ($35.5, 2 players)
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Do I just push here, hoping he has a Ten, or do I bet small for value?
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Old 08-30-2006, 09:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Unless you think he can lay down a T here.
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Old 08-30-2006, 04:39 PM #3 (permalink)  
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It looks like he has 2 pair with an Ace kicker so I don't think he's calling a push anyway, but since he's probably not going to call much of a value bet either, and is likely to check-behind I think you either a) push b) check-raise or give him a free showdown when he wouldn't call off much more money anyway. Give A priority unless you're fairly certain that he will be something on the river.
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Old 08-30-2006, 05:01 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Unless you think he can lay down a T here.
WHAT!?
if you knew villian had a 10 definitely push.. who would lay down the top boat here?
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Old 08-30-2006, 05:03 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Betting the flop is feasible. It's already a large pot and it wouldn't hurt to get in money while you're ahead.

If you don't bet the flop, IMO you have to bet the turn - if nothing else, to build a pot that you can push into on the river.

I doubt that with this pot size that a river push will be called unless this guy is doing something silly like "slowplaying" an overpair.
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Old 08-30-2006, 05:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 08-30-2006, 06:06 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Old 08-30-2006, 07:06 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 yag, what in the name of flying f**k are you doing. Bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river. Don't you know these opponents by now??
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yag, what in the name of flying f**k are you doing. Bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river. Don't you know these opponents by now??
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Old 08-31-2006, 07:15 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I think the flop check is OK but if you check the flop you have to bet the turn. Maybe someone will call you with ace high or a flush draw. It looks like you're just going all-in out of frustration because you didn't succeed in building the pot like you wanted to.
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Old 09-04-2006, 07:45 AM #11 (permalink)  
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yag, what in the name of flying f**k are you doing. Bet the flop, bet the turn, bet the river. Don't you know these opponents by now??

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Old 09-04-2006, 08:18 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Besides not building the pot on the turn and flop, as far as the river goes I would bet pretty small, between 1/3 and 1/2 of the pot, enough to get a call from an ace or a mid pocket pair (unlikely) but small enough where some one with a ten will feel compelled to reraise. You might even get a reraise bluff from an aggressive player who feels youre playing the ass end of the fully or something weaker.

But pushing on the river eliminates a crying call with two pair ace kicker as well as the possibility of a bluff.
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