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bdawg56kg

03-23-2006, 06:02 AM Post subject: Quads. Check or bet river?

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The second hand happened about 6-7 hands after the first. Villian is the same in both hands. He was a huge fish. Standard'ish check given the first hand, right?

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CO ($192.10)
Button ($89.75)
SB ($46.30)
BB ($40.80)
UTG ($204.40)
Hero ($244.45)
MP1 ($154.60)
MP2 ($68.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9

, 9

.
1 fold, Hero calls $2, MP1 calls $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($10) 6

, T

, 9

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $8, MP1 calls $8, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($26) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $22, MP1 calls $22.

River: ($70) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $56, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $126

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CO ($203.45)
Button ($78.75)
SB ($42.30)
BB ($44.15)
UTG ($201.40)
Hero ($224.15)
MP1 ($113.45)
MP2 ($174.60)
MP3 ($57.55)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K

, K

.
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, MP2 calls $9, MP3 calls $9, 4 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: ($32) 2

, K

, T

(3 players)
Hero bets $25, MP2 calls $25, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($82) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $50, MP2 calls $50.

River: ($182) K

(2 players)
Hero checks??? (he has $90 left)

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NLHE lahooozaher

03-23-2006, 08:05 AM

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Based on the first hand he may take a stab at it with a missed draw because there's not many times that anybody can expect you to call with ace high but then again he probably doesn't even think that much. The way he played it he almost always has a draw and since the two hands happened so close together I think the check has even more merit to it. I would check here as well as there doesn't look to be a lot of value in betting and probably more value in checking. FWIW this is often how I would play this hand. I would bet more on the turn($60 or $65) tho but that's being to nitty.

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03-23-2006, 11:59 AM

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I would check here as well as there doesn't look to be a lot of value in betting and probably more value in checking.

There's no second best hand, so checking is best. Nh.

FlyingSaucy

03-23-2006, 01:23 PM

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I like the check based on the flop/turn action, it shows you're scared by the calls he's making, and the right circumstances would get him to push. Otherwise I like making a small bet, say $40. Then hopefully he'll push over the top.

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03-23-2006, 02:03 PM

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Well ive bet these before and been called by random hands because OMFG they have a Full House.

I think most of the time if he has any aggression in him at all the best play is probably to check, but bet it if hes a real passive donk.

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Renton

03-23-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pelion

Well ive bet these before and been called by random hands because OMFG they have a Full House.

I doubt villain has a boat here.

You hafta check the river, because its the only way you'll have a CHANCE of making anything more. You've got the deck crippled, and essentially the only feasible hands he can have that he'll call a river value bet are AA, Tx, and maybe QQ or JJ if he's loose. Even without the read from the previous hand, I think this is a clear check, unless you have a tarnished table image from Hell.

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03-23-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Renton

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pelion

Well ive bet these before and been called by random hands because OMFG they have a Full House.

I doubt villain has a boat here.

probably not, but im running up against alot of people calling cbets with middle pair or even bottom pair lately. Maybe my style just isnt balenced though. Ive started stealing alot when my image gets too tight but maybe im just not tightening up enough again once they catch on.

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NLHE lahooozaher

03-23-2006, 05:56 PM

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probably not, but im running up against alot of people calling cbets with middle pair or even bottom pair lately.

People just don't think he has a ten here because on this board most fish raise to stack the AK/AA and protect his hand at the same time on this draw heavy board. I think his most likely hands here are AJ/AQ/JQ/random diamonds/slight chance of 22 but really really doubtful.

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03-23-2006, 10:33 PM

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2nd hand check raise all in, im pretty sure he hasnt called through two streets with crap. He might consider you bet through two streets with crap though.
Im looking at hand 1 and thinking turn push? Not sure how safe that is, i just cant see you being behind on that turn...

NLHE lahooozaher

03-23-2006, 10:58 PM

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im pretty sure he hasnt called through two streets with crap

I disagree, he almost always has a hand that has no showdown value. The only thing he would check behind is an Ace, most bad players are betting everything else and maybe even the Ace.

bdawg56kg

03-24-2006, 11:18 AM

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. Ship it.

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03-24-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

. Ship it.

Did he push the river?

bdawg56kg

03-25-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

. Ship it.

Did he push the river?

Yup, he sure did.

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