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EricE

05-17-2006, 04:02 PM Post subject: Is that a quad sir?

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My read on Vilian is that he was respectable. He had been at the table a while and wasn't losing small portions of his stack along the way like so many others do.

Hand #301071225 at table: Table TH 809
Started: Tue May 16 18:41:31 2006

MP2 is at seat 1 with 84.75
CO is at seat 2 with 3.00
Button is at seat 3 with 250.47
SB is at seat 4 with 19.30
BB is at seat 7 with 27.00
Hero is at seat 8 with 197.94
Vilian is at seat 9 with 97.60
MP1 is at seat 10 with 103.55

Button posts the large blind 1.00
HJ posts the small blind 0.50

CO: --, --
Button: --, --
SB: --, --
BB: --, --
Hero: Kh, Ks
Vilian: --, --
MP1: --, --
MP2: --, --

Pre-flop:

SB: Fold
BB: Fold
Hero: Raise 4.00
Vilian: Call 4.00
MP1: Fold
MP2: Fold
CO: Fold
Button: Call 4.00

Flop (Board: Jd, Jh, 7d)($12 Pot):

Button: Check
Hero: Bet 6.00<--CBet(1/2 Pot)
Vilian: Call 6.00<--Crap, he has a J, he outflopped me
Button: Fold

Turn (Board: Jd, Jh, 7d, Kd)($24 Pot):<--Haha, I sucked out.

Hero: Bet 15.00
Vilian: Call 15.00

River (Board: Jd, Jh, 7d, Kd, Jc)($54 Pot):<--!!!!Oh shit. Does he really have a jack or was he calling with something else...?

Hero: ?

My main question here is if you go with your initial read that he has a J and fold to any significant bet. Your move? check or bet?

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biondino

05-17-2006, 04:09 PM

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You noticed the diamonds, right? That's got to be a big possibility considering his smooth calling. What J hands is the villain likely to be playing here? AJ? JQ? JT? With your read on him, are any of these likely or unlikely? I personally might fold any of these to a raise (but I am a tight weak nit).

I think you have to block/value bet the river. If he pushes, you might fold.

Seasider

05-17-2006, 04:18 PM

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Would he not of raised a Jack at some point, I'm thinking probably the turn? Or perhaps he was very passive; in which case QQ and even AA may be in his range. There are two diamonds out there so the flush draw is a possability....

I'd of bet more on the turn (pot sized) to hopefully make him push or fold but as is if I had a really strong read I might check and call a reasonable bet fold to a push on the river.....

Sounds kind of gay to be scared of 1 card tho, will be interested to see what others think.

jackvance

05-17-2006, 04:25 PM

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Block bet. If he pushes over it, he probably has the J. Basically then it comes down to your read on how the guy plays. However, it might not even be an issue, he might just call/fold.

dzeanah

05-17-2006, 04:28 PM

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Flush draw's a possibility. So's 77 for a flopped full house, and solid reason to slow play it.

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AHiltz

05-17-2006, 04:30 PM

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QQ, TT, 77 are also very good possiblities here. I pay a J off (pardon the pun) all day long here. I think AA would have raised at some point.

Seasider

05-17-2006, 04:46 PM

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Would a block bet really be needed on the river, if he just called down his J (if thats what he has) all the way through he doesn't strike me as someone who will push river. He has about $70 behind and a $55 pot, I sense he would prob bet around $30.

EricE

05-17-2006, 05:26 PM

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Yeah, I saw the flush but forgot to mention it when I posted. That combined with the remote possibility of AA, Kx, 77, QT (straight draw) caused me to push which I really think was the worst choice.
If he has QT he isn’t calling and the flush probably isn’t calling. If he has AA, KK he will call (77 may call) and of course any J will call.

If I check, and he pushes can I really be sure he has the J and not Kx? Aw well, just one of those things. I am not sure I can get away from this.

Results:
Hero: Bet 78.00
Vilian: All in

Showdown:

Hero shows: Kh, Ks (full house)
Vilian shows: Qs, Js (four of a kind, Jacks)

Mainpot:
Vilian wins the pot of 196.70 with four of a kind, Jacks

Stakes: Playing $0.10/$0.25 NL

Rondavu

05-17-2006, 05:38 PM

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I have an idea. Don't fear quads when you have KKKJJ. Put your entire stack in the middle and ship it.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

gabe

05-17-2006, 05:57 PM

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that is the perfect card to check raise the turn.

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